Should Barack Obama be nominated to the Supreme Court?

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Should Barack Obama be nominated to the Supreme Court?

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  1. XploreR

    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    I'm sure you could find examples of people like you describe, but I submit they would be a very small minority of those who collect welfare. Most recipients use welfare just long enough to get thru a tight spell--which is exactly what it is supposed to be for. I'm often puzzled by conservatives who attack the welfare programs designed to help children, but never mention those governmental welfare programs designed to help large corporations already making millions or billions of dollars. Or, welfare programs for farmers, designed to pay them NOT to produce, as a way to artificially keep prices high in the food market. Many farmers receive supplemental income from the government of over $125,000.00 per year, paying them NOT TO PRODUCE CROPS. Conservatives are SO HYPOCRITICAL.
     
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    The lack of this clause does not encourage governmental social programs either. Just because you claim it does is not a reason to think that it is true.

    Noting this, Obama did in fact go against the constitution and it intent to protect the people from government over reach.
     
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    Could you cite, by name, these programs that you so detest? You know, actual facts instead of your whims can claims.

    Also, name some of those "many" farmers and what programs they are benefitting from and who decided to implement those programs. I suspect that you will disappoint yourself if you learn these.
     
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    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    1. The Preamble of the U.S. Constitution gives one reason for the Constitution, as follows: "provide for the general welfare." It is open to each generation to interpret that clause for themselves, but it sounds a lot like socialism in its wording.
    2. Who is protecting us now from Trump's Presidential over reach? Trump recently made a public comment saying the U.S. Constitution gave him the right to do anything he wanted to do. He believes he's above the law, & many of his supporters seem to agree. Do you?
     
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    Above the constitution, no. Enforcing it terms to the fullest, against constant liberal undermining and attempts to change its meaning, yes.

    As has been seen recently, many of Obamas "rules" have been set aside by the SCOTUS as unconstitutional. You seem to willingly overlook this for your own purposes.

    Do you believe in the constitution or just want your own way?

    BTW, the preamble is not part of the constitution, just a foreword. Study.
     
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    1. The Constitution was written by intelligent men who knew it would need to change over time to match with a changing world. They allowed for that by including a process known as "amendments." Because of "liberal" changes of their time, the Constitution has been expanded to include voting rights for women, Blacks & Native Americans along with whites. Liberals of the 19th century ended slavery in America & changed the Constitution to make that change permanent. Liberals seek changes to the Constitution as a means of expanding human rights to more humans.
    2. That trend follows the ideological makeup of the court at any given time. Trump & McConnell have been successful in their attempts to stack the courts with their ideological minions, so their rulings are predictable. Eventually, the pendulum will swing in the other direction, & America will be better for it.
    3. I believe the Constitution was a highly successful compromise when written. I believe it has stood the test of time, while changing as necessary. But I also believe it is facing a critical time regarding fairness & its own future. It was designed to favor a ruling class, whose stature was based on wealth rather than merit. That shortsightedness has had a negative impact on the country at crucial stages in its life, & is doing so now under the Trump onslaught against the rights of non-white & working Americans.
    4. The Preamble is like a Mission Statement for the Constitution, & certainly IS part of that document. It's probably the most frequently quoted part of the Constitution.
     
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    You really need to study history.

    You appear to say that these men were intelligent yet claiming that you and your radical comrades are more so.

    "Liberals" of the 19th century fought against ending slavery, they formed the KKK and did everything in their power to prevent emancipation.

    "Liberals" seek to change the constitution to increase their power only, nothing to do with the welfare of the nation.

    The "liberals" are the ones talking about stacking the supreme court with expanding their unconstitutional agenda into law.

    You are, once again, wrong on all of your claims, reverting to your liberal ideals with claims that they are best and know better than the people that they are supposed to be serving.

    While you continue to spew such bilge, you are not worth even listening to.
     
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    1. The founding fathers were certainly intelligent & well informed individuals. I & my comrades have more information available to us than the founding fathers did in their time. Having more information makes anyone potentially wiser than others who don't.
    2. Absolute nonsense. Wikipedia says: "Liberalism in the United States is a broad political philosophy centered on what many see as the unalienable rights of the individual. The fundamental liberal ideals of freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion for all belief systems and the separation of church and state, right to due process and equality under the law are widely accepted as a common foundation across the spectrum of liberal thought." Slavery & white supremacy were the ideologies of the Southern aristocratic conservatives during the Civil War era. The liberals were the abolitionists & emancipationists. You have it exactly reversed.
    3. Wrong. That doesn't even begin to fit into the definition or behaviors of liberals.
    4. Trump & McConnell--the complete opposite of liberals--are the ones actively stacking the courts with their ultra-conservative judges, making the judicial system in the U.S. ever more political in nature & less & less concerned about truth or fairness.
    5. You are worse than poorly informed here.
    6. You are free to ignore me. But based on your post, you are acting on some seriously flawed assumptions.
     
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    6. That would be you and your alleged superiority to all of your betters. Your assumptions are false and dangerous to the actual people of this country.

    Just another attempt to deceive and take over as much power as you can. Sometime known as sedition.
     
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    It does no such thing.
    No, the term used in the Preamble is "promote".
    No, it is open to each generation to amend the Constitution; and if this generation doesn't like what the clause meant when it was ratified, that's what it needs to do.
    Not to those of us who understand it.
     
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    1. It may not state so specifically, but since G. Washington was President, it has been accepted as the final arbiter, regardless of the status of the contestants.
    2. The word "promote" can be interpreted as much the same as the word "provide." Yes, they are different, but interpretations vary over time, depending on circumstances. For example: When the U.S. government gave land & right of way to the train companies trying to build a railroad connecting the Atlantic & Pacific Oceans, that huge grant was both "promoting" & "providing" for the general welfare of the nation.
    3. We are both right here. Every generation "interprets" the Constitution to fit their world view. And, every generation "amends" the Constitution as it sees & feels the need to do so.
    4. You sound like you believe your interpretation here is the ONLY valid one. I disagree.
     
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    To "interpret" and play word games as your basis for truth only indicates that you know in your heart of hearts you are wrong. Changing something to match your desires does not make it so, only provides a meaning that is more comfortable to you. In other words, wrong.
     
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    Actually, having the right & ability to change your interpretation is a huge strength. If the Constitution were a static, unchanging document, it would age quickly & become irrelevant to a constantly changing society around it. The framing fathers knew the Constitution had to change with the times to stay relevant, so they provided for ways to change or alter it by future generations. We are a more free society today because of that flexibility. It is a strength, NOT a weakness. And it serves to protect the Constitution rather than weaken it. You say changing the interpretation of our Constitution to "match your desires" is wrong. I say our framing fathers knew it is necessary for every generation because every generation is different from the one preceding it, & different from the one following it. I don't think I'm wrong. I think you are.
     
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    About what I would expect from someone like you, defend your own garbage and try to justify it. Further proof that you are wrong in a continuing manner.

    You seem to insist that the constitution is meant to be changed, yet it says exactly what it says and your hissy fit will not change that.
     
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    If you interpret my post as "having a hissy fit", then you're no more accurate interpreting my post than you are interpreting the Constitution. You know, the Constitution says every black person will be counted as 3/5ths of a whole person. In your passion for keeping the Constitution pure & unchanged until it develops rot & smells to high heaven, do you advocate going back to that hallowed original interpretation now, & count all blacks as 3/5ths of a person again. Such are the prospects for those who look to the past & see only perfection.
     
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    Getting rather violent ion defense of your erroneous posts, aren't you? Accusing others of what amounts to racism and desire to cast off the constitution.

    And yes, you are having a hissy fit when others disagree with your liberal hatred and desires.
     
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    The post you quoted asked you a question. In case you missed it, here it is

    "... the Constitution says every black person will be counted as 3/5ths of a whole person. In your passion for keeping the Constitution pure & unchanged until it develops rot & smells to high heaven, do you advocate going back to that hallowed original interpretation now, & count all blacks as 3/5ths of a person again.?"
     
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    For those of you who are comprehension impaired, there is a remedy included in the constitution for this type of situation. It is an amendment, not just vilifying the entire constitution and changing it without voters approval to suit your liberal desires. You really need to inform yourself on this type of thing before trying to attack someone who already has.
     
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    You make it sound like some farmers are collecting $125,000 a year for doing nothing. That's false. Farmers are hard working people and work in a very risky business.
     
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    While it is true I have liberal desires, I have NO HATRED toward anyone. I feel it is the Trump supporters spewing hatred & intolerance toward others--especially anyone with darker skin. No one who leads this nation back into its racist past is making America "great again." The truth is utterly the opposite.
     
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    Yes, they do. I'm not attacking farmers. I'm concerned over the discrepancy of ill will fomented by conservatives toward "welfare recipients" generally, while ignoring the huge areas of corporate & agricultural welfare. Why are corporations, already making $millions, deserving of welfare when hungry children in single parent homes not? That's my point.
     
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    Corporations are providing jobs. If there are any hungry children, it's the fault of the parents. We have plenty of churches, food pantries, and government food stamps.
     
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    Please become updated on how conservative politicians along with Trump are working toward eliminating food stamps, which many of our military families rely on due to low wages.
     
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    So despite your claims otherwise, you hate that people dare to disagree with you and you continue to cite one group in particular to focus on. That is in fact hate and the reason you supply are in themselves racist, a obvious source of hate.

    Not to mention making up your own definitions to words in an effort to support your the.
     
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    You're good at finding fault. Wonder if you're capable of finding solutions?
     

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