Should Christians support Jews in fulfillment of Zechariah fourteen?

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Based on the text of the Jewish and Christian scriptures should Christians want a Jerusalem Temple?

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  2. No

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  3. I think that Zechariah 14 should be delayed as long as possible.

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  4. Christians cannot support animal sacrifice by Jews

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  5. I am not sure what to think of this question????

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  6. A Jewish Jerusalem Temple would cause a war to begin.

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If we Christians fear the anti-Christ fellow more than we want Zechariah 14 fulfilled are we........somewhat guilty of idolatry?

    Isn't fearing the anti-Messiah more than we want the coming of Messiah giving the guy too much credit?

    I admit that I may be wrong and I admit that I flip flopped back and forth on this question for four decades so I do understand those of you who fear the rebuilding of the Jerusalem Third Temple due to that event in a sense being necessary before the anti-Christ can come but..........

    .... isn't this world such a scary place for our children and grandchildren that isn't hastening the fulfillment of Zechariah 14
    one of the only ways to make this earth safe for our children and grandchildren and great-grandchildren??????


    https://www.christianforums.com/bible/zechariah/14/



    Behold, a day of Jehovah cometh, when thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

    2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

    3 Then shall Jehovah go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

    4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east; and the mount of Olives shall be cleft in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, [and there shall be] a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

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    15 And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts that shall be in those camps, as that plague.

    16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations that came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, Jehovah of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

    17 And it shall be, that whoso of [all] the families of the earth goeth not up unto Jerusalem to worship the King, Jehovah of hosts, upon them there shall be no rain.

    18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, neither [shall it be] upon them; there shall be the plague wherewith Jehovah will smite the nations that go not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

    19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all the nations that go not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

    20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLY UNTO JEHOVAH; and the pots in Jehovah's house shall be like the bowls before the altar.

    21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holy unto Jehovah of hosts; and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and boil therein: and in that day there shall be no more a Canaanite in the house of Jehovah of hosts.
     
  2. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    One of the best arguments that I have ran into as to why
    Christians should support the Orthodox Jewish community
    in their desire to rebuild their Jerusalem Third Temple is
    a statement by Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus:

    Luke 24:25

    "Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:"

    So... all that the prophets have spoken would include Ezekiel chapters 40 - 48 that
    clearly describe the restored Jerusalem Third Temple as part of the Era of Messiah / Moshiach.... .the millennial rule of Messiah over all the earth.

    Also:
    Luke 13:35

    "Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord."

    Was Ezekiel blessed?

    Did Ezekiel come in the name of the Lord?

    Is Christianity relatively desolate due to our having forgotten the words of the Prophets?
     
  3. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If the resurrected King David is merely "prince" among them..... then WHO IS THEIR KING IF NOT MESSIAH YESHUA -JESUS?????


    Acts of the Apostles 1

    "And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

    And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel

    Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven."


    Ezekiel 34:24
    "And I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the LORD have spoken it."


    Ezekiel 37:25
    "And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever."

    Exo 29:45

    And I will dwell among the children of Israel, and will be their God.

    Exo 29:46

    And they shall know that I am the LORD their God, that brought them forth out of the land of Egypt, that I may dwell among them: I am the LORD their God.


    Psa 68:16
    Why leap ye, ye high hills? this is the hill which God desireth to dwell in; yea, the LORD will dwell in it for ever


    Psa 68:18
    Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell among them.



    2Co 6:16
    And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.


    Rev 21:3
    And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
     
  4. Aryeh B.

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    In your survey there is no way to select several options at once.

    I would choose 1, 2, 4, 6.

    Option 1 is for true Christians aspiring to God, and not looking for a cozy corner in any denomination. This is the same option for any people who aspire to life in the kingdom of God, that is, to righteous relationships in the human environment.

    Option 2 is the actual option that most Christians are satisfied with. Because, being in denominations, they already entered into agreement with their lies, they were captured, they are misled. They were seduced. They stumbled.

    ("Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe to stumble, it would be better for him if, with a heavy millstone hung around his neck, he had been cast into the sea." —> "Then a strong angel took up a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the sea, saying, "So will Babylon, the great city, be thrown down with violence, and will not be found any longer." Christians were seduced by the Christian religion. Sic!)

    Option 4. Animal sacrifices are needed for carnal Jews, not spiritual Christians. Do you need to explain what “carnal” means and what “spiritual” means? Spiritual Christians need a City, but they will receive it only after the Third Temple is built!

    Option 6. Firstly, the Temple will not be built in Jerusalem, the term "Jerusalem Temple" is confusing. Secondly, there will certainly be a war, and the construction of any Temple will certainly provoke not one, but many wars and world crises. Because it is the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. Jesus warned of these signs of His coming. And the fact that there will be wars should not deter us from building the Temple, because what is happening now in the world without wars is a great evil that all people suffer from.

    There is much to be said about the 14th chapter of Zechariah. We can even say that Christmas is a fake holiday that will no longer be. Because the real Jesus Christ was born in the autumn, the 8th of Tishrei. And the feast of Tabernacles is the circumcision of the baby Jesus, and on this day he was given the name by which we all are saved. Therefore, everyone will celebrate Tabernacles, not fake Christmas.

    By the way, here is a model of the Third Temple, which will be built in the Judean desert, in accordance with the prophecy of Ezekiel:

     
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    It does not matter what Christians do as they have become all but irrelevant anymore and this "Third Temple" garbage is almost as silly as the face on Mars.
     
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    These things from prophecy will happen in their own time. Humans doing them won't do them to bring about the fulfillment of prophecy. They will do them because it's what they want to do and God will being about the fulfillment.

    Man can neither hasted nor delay any prophecy by manufacturing the phophetic necessities.
     
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    We claim to stand for the rule of law, equal representation in government, humanitarianism in foreign policy, respect for borders, and other of our principles.

    Do we believe in our principles, or do we think they are total crap?

    I don't know any other question one would need to answer.
     
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    Exactly!

     
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    I wish you had some level of message of peace and good will toward men.

    The call for conquest we've seen for several thousand years is something we should be opposing, not encouraging or attempting to justify.
     
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    That may be true.

    But, the bible has long been used as justification for these acts. It's the reason that land was stolen from Palestinians who lived there. It's the reason that continued ethnic cleansing and government with no representation (both seen by America to be anathema) are seen as not just acceptable, but something the US should SUPPORT!! The direction with those acts in part justify our attitude toward the vast majority of people living in the ME who don't happen to be Jewish.


    After all, if our objective is Jewish conquest, how can we possibly consider those living there as being other than the blood enemy?
     
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    In the annals of history, Most of the barbarism and manslaughter in the quest for power and wealth was not preordained by religion but from disposal of those vehemently wanted those potentials in the first place.
     
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    I'm not sure how you would suggest this applies to our decision making today. It does sound ike you have a strong point.

    So, just let me say that our decisions today need to recognize history, but history isn't a justification for immorality, such as ethnic cleansing.
     
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    Yup I agree, at least it gives us lessons and could deduce from the past how how ugly those atrocities are and how is it to be humane. Sometimes I may say religion also plays an important role if it pertains to this facet of life, like the command "love one another" is a very good and inspiring extraction from the bible. Religion creates a close knit group which has a sole purpose of being in God in good faith, but not all did become universal for some religion did become seclusive perhaps to protect its members like for example the over protectionism of Islam that even calls for Jihad or holy war if they feel their flock is being infringe or assaulted, but all in all humanity also did create religion for purposes of refuge and aids for facing the challenges that life may bring.
     
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