Should cops be disarmed?

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  1. C-D-P

    C-D-P Well-Known Member

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    It is when those cameras show the cops in error. They can refuse to release evidence and have done exactly that many times.
     
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    Nope, not so, Internal Affairs, the shooting investigation team, modified duty until the investigation is complete.
    Scrutiny by the "Bronze" (Mad Max) "Brass", nobody gets a Pass.
     
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    C-D-P Well-Known Member

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    The dash and full body camera footage has been illegally withheld in many many investigations. Look at the Autumn Steele case for example.
     
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    Dont disarm cops. They should be held to higher expectations of restraint though, given their increased authority and firepower. No more 'shoot first' ciriculum for starters.
     
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    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    Liberals want people not to have the ability to defend themselves but to rely on the police, then out of the other side of their mouths they demonize the police. Liberal logic in LaLa land.
     
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    There is a real, genuine disconnect in their thinking!

    Like, those of us on the gun rights side sometimes argue that our right to bear arms is important in case we ever need to resist a tyrannical government; you know, in case a politician along the lines of Adolph Hitler should ever come to power. Gun controllers respond, "That's just paranoia! That could never happen here!"

    Then they shriek to anyone who will listen that Donald Trump "literally is Hitler!!" but we should still have gun control because there's no way the people could resist tyranny.

    Um.... what?
     
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    Not possible, it would violate a Court order, a subpoena, processing of evidence, Court procedures, and result in contempt charges etc..
     
  8. C-D-P

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    Google it. Remember that the system tends to protect itself.

    They said they are witholding it because it shows Autumn in a partial state of undress. It's her husband that is trying to get it released. The county attorney said it will never be released.
     
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    I'm for disarming and arresting ALL Black and Hispanic Supremacist gangsters and taking away their illegal firearms.

    Think how many cops could be sparred from being killed by them in gunfights?
     
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    I have no idea about any of that type of Hoo Haa publicity related crapola.

    I do know evidence in connection with a case, when relevant, is obtained by court order.

    Example: a suspect dies, while being taken into custody, allegedly because a flock of police officers had roosted on his back.

    All the cams involved are evidence and are entered as such.
    There is no discretion as to not releasing evidence to the court when a subpoena is issued unless police brass wants to face charges of contempt of Court and jail.

    There have been some cases where disclosure of confidential sources of information, meant revealing a confidential informants identify, thereby endangering the informant and the involved officers refused.

    That not being the case here obviously.
     
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    The way the laws are written here there's not supposed to be any discretion when releasing it to the public after the investigation is over. But she's still witholding it.
     
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    That would be for a Judge to decide and issue a Court order, a release of some sort or show cause why it should not be released.
     
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    Not the way the law is written here.
     
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    If you reside within the U.S.A.,
    It is.
     
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    So you have all of the laws for every state memorized?
     
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    Can the law in question be cited?
     
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    No, however, Court procedures and general Juris prudence do not vary that greatly.
     
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    i would 100% support disarming police once we have disarmed 99.99% of criminals.
     
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    Disarmed to what extent ?
    Even non lethal wewapons ?
    To the level of the Police in the movie
    Demolition Man ?
    To a point that a Simon Phoenix shows up and tbe Police can't deal with him ?
     
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    If they have been illegally withheld, how do you know what's on them?
     
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    if police believe almost all criminally possessed guns are gone, then yes some municipalities can have unarmed police.

    London does it
     
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    I will go back to my standard argument in all of these threads.

    Cops are not well trained. They aren't well trained because police departments don't want to pay for the training because it will force them to something else from their budgets.

    They also have low employment standards, mostly caused by a lack of qualified candidates.


    The real question is how.do.you get better people in uniform. That's a question I don't have an answer to.
     
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    Overly generalized statements and not true of the entire U.S. Police academies vary throughout the U.S.
    Larger departments v smaller departments, those with less comprehensive training and even those have the option of sending Officers to larger States with comprehensive training as well as many colleges offering degrees in criminology and the F.B.I. offers training to departments as well.

    With the Internet and online courses, and remedial firearms training, there is no reason any LE agency should have badly trained Officers.
     
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    Hmm.

    Well, if you asked a cop in the US to patrol without a means to defend themselves, they would simply pursue another career.

    Cop problem solved, right?
     
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    Most of the training shortages is departmental wide and usually focused on things like PR and de-escelation. The Castillo shooting is a perfect example. The cops commands were not clear and confusing, even to me watching a video and not there. The inconsistent commands were because the cop was not properly trained with dealing with a legally armed citizen.

    Without citing specifics, because there are an intimate amount of possibilities, cases like this are more normal than most like to consider. Most don't end in a shooting, thankfully.
     

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