Should Donald Trump be President of the United States again?

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Should Donald Trump be President of the United States again?

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  2. no

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  1. a777pilot

    a777pilot Well-Known Member

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    I loved what Trump was doing for the country, however, he had his chance. He allowed the Democrats and socialists to steal the election and did nothing about it.

    He was the best post-war President. The worst was "41".
     
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    LOL!

    So his mean words scare you?

    LOL!
     
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    Scare me? Not quite. More like rude, crude and socially unacceptable. As I've said to others, know your mark.
     
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    "Daddy" Bush was the president who made it 'mainstream' for government to step-in and rescue financial institutions that should have been allowed to go bankrupt! This was a 'new-normal' that was continued with the "Great Recession" in 2008, and which, in one way or another, has continued to THIS DAY! In my view, this makes H. W. Bush a horrible president -- paving the way for his moron child, "W", and later, 'the Messiah' Obama.

    There's three rotten presidents, and now, we have another -- Geriatric Joe Biden. After Ronald Reagan, the presidency has really gone straight-to-hell-on-a-sled. What hope is there now? In all seriousness, in 2024, we'd better not fugg this thing up again, or we're done!
     
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  5. Pixie

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    Can you give me some examples of what he did and the notable results that followed?
    Or are you just mentioning his projections, which if this all you are quoting, conversation is pointless.
     
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    I ask you too...what did he "get done" ?
    Not "the wall".
    Not migration via Mexico.
    Not curbing North Korea.
    Not creating more jobs in the rust belt.
    Nor better defence or more significant financial support from other NATO members.
    Not stronger international influence.
    and I don't see any more greatness in America than before...I do see more division and LESS strength.

    Just what DID he achieve?
     
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  7. Pixie

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    If you look back to my post which you copied and replied to, you may see that I hardly mentioned tax. My major thrust was his international performances...rather important for the leader of the free world and ultimately for the power and "greatness" of the USA.
     
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    ~ So instead America voted for the Biden/Harris team . :blushes: :bomb:
     
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  9. Pixie

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    At least they can be polite and respectful to other nations and their concerns.
    They aren't threatened or insulted or belittled.
    Of course most Americans never consider what being leader of the free world means at election time, but the realtime fallout of that role can either help or hinder the USA's greatness.
     
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    How exactly?

    Why not? Democracy should apply to everyone? Besides which both sides seem to have a rather definition of what a fascist or communist is?

    Nah, that was Susie remember? Calvin was First Husband.

    Calvin and Susie (funnyjunk.com)
     
  11. Pixie

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    There is a general election coming up here in France in April.
    One of the candidates, Eric Zemmour, is so far to the right that he makes Le Pen look like a centrist. You may find him acceptable since he is only just to the right of Trump. I chose this article since it is frm

    "What are Zemmour's political views?
    "Eric Zemmour is a writer, a journalist who, for twenty years, has been alerting the public opinion and our leaders to the fact that our country cannot cope with a completely deregulated immigration like the one we have known for decades; that security is the first of freedoms; that figures for petty crimes, attacks on property and people are skyrocketing and that soon, in France, we will have a serious problem with that," said Antoine Diers, a spokesman for the Association of Eric Zemmour's Friends. The group raises funds for a potential presidential campaign.

    The place of Islam in France is another of Zemmour's leitmotiv. In a recent interview, he said "Islam is a civilisation incompatible with the principles of France," and called to "frenchise the practice of Islam" in the country.

    "I would add that Eric Zemmour is rather largely what one calls a declinist, that is to say, the idea that France was better off before and that the power of France, the support and respect that France inspires abroad, its influence in international relations have only declined. And that without a surge of national spirit, France is poised to disappear," Cautrès said.

    Zemmour is also known for his anti-feminist -- critics say misogynistic -- views. In his book The First Sex (2006) he slams "the feminisation of society" and promotes an essentialist vision of gender roles.

    He regularly denounces so-called LGBT "propaganda" and has compared a recent government initiative to facilitate the integration of transgender children in school to the experiments of Dr Mengele, a Nazi physician famed for his atrocities on concentration camps prisoners during World War II.

    While Zemmour's views have their adepts, they have unsurprisingly drawn strong backlash in French society. A poll published in late September suggests he is the political personality inspiring the most "rejection" to French voters, with 59% saying they reject him."
    https://www.euronews.com/2021/11/30...it-set-to-shake-up-france-s-presidential-race

    I chose this piece as it is from a European perspective. There are many more articles about him including from the NYT and CNBC.

    I am aware that the political world is poised with one foot over an abyss devoid of any respect for human rights...we have a home grown example right here in River city.
     
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    The only issue is it is only four years, and he will have to fix Biden’s messes before economic progress can be made.
    Prices will be some 20% higher than today, even with raw material prices falling, and it is hard to get that 20% baked into the productivity cake and fight inflation at the same time by raising interest rates.
    But if anyone can put the interests of Americans over those of the swamp, Trump can.
    DeSantis is young enough to wait four years for another go around.
     
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    Because you are in 'Europe' (which country?), according to an earlier post you wrote, you would actually have an accurate view of what America's foreign policy 'projection' was like during the Trump years. And I know from what my German friends told me that Trump picking people like Richard Grenell to be our ambassador to Berlin was something that pissed Germans off more than anything else we've done in decades!

    Some of the criticism was certainly justified, because Grenell was arrogant, abusive, and dismissive... but, it is also true that at the same time, Germany had not made its 'contribution' to its own defense as part of NATO, and that in fact, all branches of Germany's Bundeswehr were allowed to deteriorate in quality, quantity, and mission-readiness during the time when Ursula von der Leyen was Germany's Defense Minister.

    Europeans are interesting in how they react to different American administrations, though. The same Germans that despised Trump were only too happy to kiss Barack Obama's ass -- even though his administration approved bugging Chancellor Merkel's private phone for years ("W" Bush, too). Link: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/23/us-monitored-angela-merkel-german

    To be candid, Donald Trump never went to "charm school", and he was never anybody's idea of a suave, debonair, politically-correct figurehead at lavish dinner parties, like Obama was. So, it's easy to see how Trump wouldn't be welcomed back as President of the United States by many people throughout the world, with the exception of Americans who LOVE our Constitution more than anything else about our government....

    [​IMG]. "No, Donald... don't eat Beluga caviar with your FINGERS!" :frown:
     
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    He never should have occupied the White House in the first place. Among many other problems he has caused or exacerbated, he single-handedly put Iran on the path to developing nuclear weapons and only helped his darling "Little Rocket Man" to elevate his status on the world stage.
     
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    He has been lying about the 2020 election since even before he lost it. He told the same lies about the 2016 election until the moment he won it, too.
     
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    "never delivered anything"
    It's congress that makes and passes laws and its the presidents job to prevent bad laws from passing. Why are so many Americans ignorant of how are system works and expect the president to pass laws?
     
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    Also, Trump is preparing for 2022 to get enough Maga and pro-american representatives elected. He is setting himself up for success in his 2024 presidency. 2022 will show us if he deserves it.
     
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    Even if he is offering himself up as a foil for the corrupt media and the swampocrats, he is doing the country a service.
    We need more leaders from the private sector who have felt the effects of congress bone headed ideas.
    Every dollar of taxes originates in the private sector.
     
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    What you discuss is much of the gulf between what Europeans expect of their leaders. Certainly they should be experienced enough to know how to behave.
    Europeans don't really concern themselves with your Constitution...that applies only to US issues, though we also have the same national issues written into our own constitutions. They cover pretty much what yours does except for the second amendment. Most of not all constitutions describe the democratic shape and process the country uses to describe its own version of governance and justice.
    No other national politician is considered to be the leader of the free world. We don't like to see your POTUS picking fights with China or North Korea, with no conversation beforehand. Results affect us all and Trump didn't recognise that as part of his position.
     
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    You make a very good point when you say, "No other national politician is considered to be the leader of the free world. We don't like to see your POTUS picking fights with China or North Korea, with no conversation beforehand." And we Americans have only ourselves to blame for that!

    Truth? When we emerged, largely unharmed from World War II, as the only country in full-possession of atomic weapons and delivery systems, we took on the misguided idea that we must become "policeman-of-the-world". And so our series of 'adventures' as some kind of 'savior' began, and resulted in a miserable "Korean War" (which could have been speedily resolved, along with our Communist China problem, with nuclear weapons), a perilous "Cold War" with the Soviet Union gobbling-up half of Europe (also, easily resolvable at the time with nuclear weapons directed specifically at Russia)... and then, Vietnam, the "Balkans War", the Middle East, Afghanistan, etc., etc. Being the "policeman-of-the-world" has brought the United States little but thousands upon thousands of dead and wounded military personnel, and the mindless waste of hundreds upon hundreds of billions of American Dollars.... BUT -- it was great for the American economy... especially the ruin of the Soviet Union, after which American corporations were completely safe to send more and more of all their operations and manufacturing abilities 'off-shore', where foreign governments were easily corrupted with bribes, and labor was cheap.

    Enough history 'recitation', but I offer it as a brief preamble to sharing why I think that an obtuse, arrogant, corporate-tyrant like Trump could have ever been elected president here in the first place.... I'll continue with considerably more focus once I've learned at least which European country you're in -- so I can understand your likely viewpoint better! It's important because, in general, people in southern Europe have remarkably different views than those in northern Europe. And, in even one country like Germany, people in, say, Dresden have dramatically different political views than those in Köln, for example, even though the distance is less than 360 miles (negligible by American standards).

    Whether you reveal which European country you're in or not, we may at least agree that, for a variety of perhaps very different reasons, neither of us would really want to see Donald Trump back as President of the United States... fair enough? :hug:
     
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    Since you have provided no 'conversation', and disregarding information I did provide, you are correct, conversation is pointless.

    May I suggest that since continuous questions with no input or discussion is not 'debate', you brush up on your technique.
     
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    I thought I had made it clear I have lived in France for 20 years. I have also lived in the US and the UK, the first for 17 years and the second for all my professional life.
    Trump would make the ROW a far less safe place to live, and subject to whims, internal politics and a constant stress abut what the irrational will do next.
    I have to disagree with your liberal suggestions of using nuclear weapons to solve international political disagreements. But I also recognise the growth of the military industrial wealth that has allowed the US to profit hugely from making wars in places which suit them and not those who live on the battlefields of the world.
     
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    S'il vous plaît excusez-moi! No offense intended. And in a spirit of equal disclosure, I'm a resident of the State of Colorado, in the 'corridor' that spans from Colorado Springs north through Denver/Boulder. We're a 'purple' state now, but liberal Democrats rule our Executive Branch, and both 'houses' of our legislative branch as well. OK, now, that's done....

    Back on topic, no, I'm admittedly a weirdo, Pixie... I'm a rock-solid, Right-wing Conservative who actually does not (NOT) want to see Donald Trump back in the White House -- unless the Socialist-Democrat Party puts up yet another nauseating slate of candidates as bad as the "Dumb and Dumber" admin team of Biden/Harris. But, if France had a voice in who our next president would be, what would France's choice be? Someone more like Obama...? Perhaps a different Obama -- like that creature Barack is married to...? That's been my own worst nightmare, but Trump wouldn't make our relationship with France any better in the future than it was when he was president before....

    France was absolutely in LOVE with Barack Obama -- especially back when French President, Nicolas Paul Stéphane Sarközy de Nagy-Bocsa gulled the witless, servile Obama into using American military power to overthrow the legitimate government of Libya in 2011... a country the U. S. was completely at peace with, and which had disavowed both terrorism and nuclear weapons! Now, over ten years later, Libya is still crawling with warring Muslim terrorist factions, with no end in sight.... It all seems to have worked out fairly well for France, but we Americans are still unable to re-open our embassy in Tripoli, which was closed in July 2014 because of terrorist danger....

    Trump appealed to Americans who were desperate to "take our country back"... but now, in truth, we never will get it back again. So, who should we choose? We are going to be pushed from our former position of global dominance in the world down into being a bit-player in a world dominated by a 'tripartite' economic alliance dominated by China, Russia, and you in the EU (led by the Germans, of course). Who on the American political scene can best fit-into that new mold...? :confusion:
     
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    First I suppose you know that Sarkozy has recently been found guilty of corruption and is today viewed as a damaging right wing former president. You also have to understand a bit about France's relationship with Africa and its former colonies there. One of the three/four pillars" of France is fraternity and that means, among other things, an enduring sense of brotherhood with those colonies even when independent.
    and Libya has an odd history via Gadaffi (sp?)who changed his politics more than once in his rule.
    I am not familiar with the ins and outs of that period but not just France but the whole of Europe prefers a straight-talking, honest and well prepared President who "knows his stuff" and who understands that offering respect ensures he gets it back.
    What you think Obama did in the US is not my area of expertise. I can only discuss him in European terms. He never threatened to put tariffs on our trade, threatened to leave NATO in order to get something he wanted, messed around with North Korea nuclear threats (unsuccesfully) or tried to big it up with China (unsuccessfully). He didn't add threats and tensions to global issues and allowed us to get on with our own affairs within stable world. We really don't concern ourselves with your domestic issues. We have enough of our own!
    I understand Colorado is nice...anywhere there are mountains IMO is nice!
     
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    I'm not sure who put that list together, but Obama was near the TOP.
     
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