Should gay and trans people have their own bathrooms?

They don't. They just want to be treated the same as you and I. Yes, they are different. All of us are different.

Militant group? Really? What does that mean?

 

The building code is usually the minimum. If the stadium owners wish or the city orders, they can specify additional restrooms. But it all has to be in the approved plans and specs before it can go out for bid. Also, first bid is usually a "budget bid", so the owners can freak out and tell the architect, "Uhh, dude. We are 10 million over budget. What can we cut?"
I'll bet the ratio of men's vs women's has changed over the years. It is obvious the old formulas weren't working. Maybe because now there are more female architects.

 

No, the best thing is to just go to the one that corresponds to your genitals.

 

So you want this person to go into the women's restroom?

 

If you refuse to abide by the road rules, don't drive. If you refuse to clothe your nakedness, stay indoors. Eat or perish. It is your choice. We have fair standards for good reason. If you refuse to honor that which is fair and true, then yes, stay in your closet. And don't come out without humility and respect for your fellow man. It is not all about you.

 

Abide by what rules of life?
Is there a life rule that says one can not be a transgender?

It is not the LGBTQ crowd that needs to abide by some silly rule you think they must follow.
They are living human beings just like you and I and should be afforded the same rights and respect we all strive for.

Any issues you have, are yours only. It's not about you.

 

The difference is that gay people do not claim to have a gender other than their natural one. Gay men use the men's room and gay women use the women's room. There, that was easy,

 

Male and female bathrooms are clearly marked. They serve all needs. If it is outside the scope of your needs, then you don't belong in a public facility.

 

Yes.
But that has nothing to do with telling those who are trans to stay home. You don't want them in society if they are not like you.


https://womenintheworld.org/most-beautiful-transgender-women/

Don't you think this trans female would draw great concern going into the mens room?


Or this trans male would get arrested for going into the woman's bathroom?

 

I don't know who that is, but I had natural women and natural men in mind; let's not pretend that there is no such thing, or that "natural" is vague or indefinable. It simply means "how one entered the world."

Has this person taken hormones and undergone surgical mutilation to look like that? If she has a vagina and ovaries (or did have) then I doubt that that is her natural look.

I confess I am less uneasy about a woman who has "transitioned" to being a man going into the men's shower than a "woman" with a penis and scrotum.

 

Given how often those supposed rules change, you're not making much of an argument. Look at how much more revealing clothing has become, especially in women's fashion, but also in men's. Who do you think it is that causes those changes? Certainly not those saying, don't try to change the rule.

 

So tell me how it is you would know whether a given person is a natural woman or a natural man?

I've not ever said any such thing. All I do is point out that you will never know short of an actual crotch check. And quite honestly, if a person calls for one on another and is wrong, then that person falsely calling out the other should suffer legal repercussions.

Does it matter? That is how they look. Your argument is that they should be using the women's restroom ("...the one that corresponds to your genitals."), but if you saw that person entering into the women's restroom, would you try to stop them, as many opponents claim they would do, especially if your daughter was already in there?

But you said that such a person should be using the woman's restroom. Make up your mind.

 

I said, "If you are so odd that you can't comport to the standards, stay home and use your own facilities." If you insist on making a freak of yourself, then expect freaky outcomes. If you can pass as the opposite gender, then use their restrooms. If you can't, then don't. There isn't a gender test at public facilities. But if the situation makes your true gender apparent, then don't pretend that it doesn't and expect others to participate in your twisted fantasy.

 

What makes you think people are using the bathroom that fits their gender or ID gender and the way they are dressed.

The way you've been posting, those people I've shown pics of, you had an issue with them going into their ID'd gender.

So now, it's not clear what you're worried about.

 

If the person had had enough surgery, and if the surgeon were really really good, I might not know.

I don't understand the second point.

The person should use the restroom corresponding to their birth sex, yes. But they shouldn't mutilate themselves to change nature or most women's expectations as to whom they are sharing space with, either.

If they DO mutilate themselves, then they can go where they want, I suppose, unless real women can tell and are made uncomfortable by it. I am more concerned about real women than I am with men who think they are women and who mutilate themselves and ingest chemicals in a vain effort to prove it.

You're getting personal, but I would try to stop any man going into an area where my daughter would be likely to notice him and be made uncomfortable by his presence, sure. Now, if my daughter were over 21 and insisted that she had no problem having a man seeing her en deshabillé, though that seems unlikely, and if I thought she weren't just pretending to be OK with it to keep people from calling her transphobic, I'd take that into account.

All this drama could be avoided if males would simply accept themselves for who they are. If that's hard, I really don't care.

 

There is no such thing as transgender. It's a made up word invented to justify the unjustifiable. And I don't care what difficulties these people bring on themselves with their aberrant behavior. I voted NO, we should not build them special facilities. Neither should we pave the earth so cross dressers can wear high heels wherever they take a fancy to do so.

 

Why didn't I say that?

 

Nobody cares about women using the men's room.

An average man could probably overpower this person as females are physically not as strong as males. And yes even a female power lifter can probably be overpowered by an average man.

The problem has always been men using the women's restroom.

 

I've made myself clear. No, they don't deserve their own facilities. If they insist, they have them at home. It isn't society's place to accommodate their self imposed issues, anymore than it is to us to worship Satan just because he calls himself God. He belongs in hell, not a pedestal.

 

Thank you!

 

For the record, I'm placing the quotes out of order because my points build in that order.

So how do you expect that it will be enforced that people only go into the restroom of their born sex?

The you would be stopping that person I provided the picture of even though they still have a vagina and not a penis, despite the fact that you insisted that they should be in the woman's restroom. Your rguments are very contradictory.

Not all are mutilating themselves, at least not as you thinking. As just pointed out there are the trans men (born female with the female sex organs) who are passing enough for men that they are most likely to invoke fear in women, yet you want to insist that people use the restroom of their birth sex.

The point is that there are enough cis women who look a lot like men in drag, who if you did a crotch check, it would be sexual harassment or assault. You said that you would stop what you took to be a man going into a woman's restroom, especially if your daughter was in there. I say that if you do so and it's a female with a vagina, you need to face sexual harassment charges.

Is a woman's comfort level the only criteria? so if one "real" woman sees a cis woman whom she believes is a male, what should be done?

So at this point what it seems that you want is a cis woman restroom and an everybody else restroom.

All this drama could be avoided if bigots would simply accept that transgender people simply go into a restroom, do their business, wash their hands and leave. If that's hard, I don't care. Bigots had to adjust to it with blacks and other POC's, they can learn to do it again.

 

All words are made up words. Did you learn nothing of language in school? We create words to describe things. Different groups of people made up different words for the same thing. That's how we got different languages. As time goes on and new items, ideas and concepts are created, discovered or learned, we either create new words for them, or adapt older words to them. Language evolves. That's a fact. It's the whole reason we have an entire part of linguistics devoted to studying how language evolves. If you deny that language evolves, then don't ever use gay to mean homosexual. It had a definition before that, and no evolving means it can only be used for that and not homosexuals.

 

Oh please. You can't change gender. Therefore transgender is a lie. It's sophistry to cover deceit. And there is nothing gay about homosexuality. I am not a prisoner of make believe thinking.

 

I've heard worse ideas.

 

In that case I sure as hell do not want them going into women’s rooms.