Discussion in 'Animal Welfare' started by Daggdag, Dec 26, 2012.
Sounds like a plan.
Actually, most states have laws against hunting without using the animal. And a hunter who hunts purely because they enjoy killing animals with no desire to use the animal for anything is by definition a psychopath. Killing animals for fun is actually one of the signs of a serial killer.
Not all animals are edible, and not all of those again have any pelt of value. Yet there are still good reasons for hunting them.
For example foxes. Where I come from, there are too many foxes, so they push other species out. By limiting the number of foxes, we can help those other species thriving, and keep disease in the fox population down.
And you don't get it. It's not killing animals for fun, even if you're not using the meat or the fur. There's plenty of conservation reasons to do so. And if the hunters enjoy it while doing good, then there should be no problem.
Do you even know any hunters? I know plenty, and none are psychopaths.
Please show your evidence of the above.
Again, please show evidence, besides your imagination.
There are a lot of different categories of public land. Yes, there is oil drilling and fracking on public land--that's one of the acceptable uses of some land. Please provide specifics and evidence, again, not just your fervid imagination and what you "heard."
Question? How many hunters do you actually know? Have you actually hunted?
I grew up in hunting culture in Alabama. I currently don't hunt (don't have a place to hunt), but I have never met anybody who "got their rocks off" killing animals. You must know some weird people.
Again, provide evidence and specifics. I haven't heard you quote a single article or website or even a twitter feed. Lets base this argument on actual things, not just "what you heard."
My question referred to hunting being prohibited in the Grand Canyon, etc
I will ask Trump the next time I see him, to put in writing which regulation he is eliminating that would permit fracking on gov't lands.
March 17, 2017 Oregon Environmental News, for example. There are many articles written about Trump and fracking that may even tickle your vivid imagination, and then you will have "heard" what I "heard". And then your imagination will become "fact".
Simply read about Trump and fracking.
Links please. I'm still just seeing your imagination, which seems to be getting more and more vivid.
Please show where the Trump administration has advocated for sport hunting in the Grand Canyon, etc.
Never said that
I agree. A hundred years from now, people will look at us and call us savages for hunting animals for sport.
". . . . selfish fools who consumed the planet in so many ways . . . ."
Very much doubt it. We've been hunting for our entire existence as a species. Our closest relatives are hunters whenever they have the chance.
While a person can oppose hunting, calling it poaching is stupid.
Regulated hunting does not hurt the environment. It's one of the more sustainable hobbies a person can have. Way better for the environment than going abroad on holiday once or twice a year.
I wasn't talking about the environment. Just the wilderness in general. I never understood the need to hunt for sport.
I'm not against hunting for food. I'm against hunting for sport.
No such thing as hunting "purely" for sport these days. Non-edible animals are hunted for either pest control, or conservation efforts. Hunters simply do not go out and shoot everything that moves, ecology and conservation be damned.
The Trump sons do.
My grandmother once said, "Only a coward shoots a deer with a gun. A real man would go in the woods naked with only a knife and give that deer a fighting chance."
The whole safari hunting deal is strictly regulated, the meat is not left to rot, and the species, and even individual animals picked for culling are picked to improve the conservation of those species.
Your grandmother is dumb. Going up against a deer with a knife, will at best lead to nothing, at worst, an animal bleeding out over a couple days, while the hunter is either dead or at the hospital. It's way better to do a quick and clean kill, rather than following some urbanite ideal of "manhood".
My grandmother wasn't "dumb." You're the moron for not grasping what she meant.
Let me spell it out for you: Any hick with a gun can go kill an innocent animal. The point is that people like you are p*ssies who act tough only when the deck is stacked in your favor.
Oh, I grasp it fine and well, and it's still dumb. You're not going to be able to take down a deer with a knife. And in the extremely few cases you're able to hurt it, you're putting it through way more misery than a bullet through the heart. One of the core aspects of hunting is to NOT put the animal through more suffering than necessary to kill it, which is why we use guns.
"Any hick with a gun"? When you're hunting, you're not going in the woods with the sole goal to kill anything that moves. Hunters have specific species, and quotas, age, gender and so on on which animals they're allowed to take. And no, not all hunting trips end with taking out an animal, a proof how hard it actually can be, even when the hunters have guns. Because you've got to find the animal first, and have a good shot at it, something that's not happening that often. Keep in mind, the target area is rather small, since you're aiming for the heart, otherwise it might suffer unnecessary, run away, and die far away, with more meat destroyed due to stress, and maybe bullet wounds in the best meaty parts.
Also, there's no such thing as an innocent animal, just as there's no such thing as a guilty animal. Guilt and innocence are concepts derived from human morality, only persons can be innocent or guilty, and apart from PETA, most people consider only people to be persons.
Dear God, you're stupid as rocks. You still don't get it. My grandmother was 100% against hunting. She wasn't advocating hunting naked with a knife. She was using a rhetorical device to make a point.
I'll make it simple:
There's nothing brave about hunting. There's no "sport" in killing an innocent animal. Men who hunt for fun or cowards.
When I call an animal "innocent," I refer to the context of the hunter/animal scenario.
I agree however, if you Google "Hunters for the Hungry" you'll likely find a location in your state for more information.
As it is now, I doubt that you can simply drop off a dead deer at the nearest homeless shelter
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