Should I start wearing a collar?

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  1. Pycckia

    Pycckia Well-Known Member

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    I follow Occam's razor. Do not subscribe to a complicated model when a simple one will do. It is simpler to postulate that some races are smarter than others. It explains a great deal. It is you who are searching for ever more elaborate answers that endorse racial equality. The obvious problem with this is that solutions based on the idea of "socioeconomic factors" have been tried for the last fifty years and have failed.

    I know you reject the notion of racial superiority, but why? What evidence do you have of racial equality?

    I am not so interested in judging individuals but in examining the baleful effects of a mistaken notion of racial equality will have on society. Blacks have been admitted to university via affirmative action. They fail. Because of your a priori idea of racial equality such failure is attributed to RACISM. White people are scapegoated for Black failure.

    But such scapegoating will never raise Black academic performance. Blacks will continue to fail and accusations of white perfidy will increase because your ideology can find no other reason. When and if whites lose political power POCs will persecute Whites with ever increasing vigor (see Rhodesia and South Africa). That is the ominous promise of the notion of "white privilege. Despite your personal commitment to racial equality, your "white privilege" is enough to condemn you.

    I am suggesting that Progressive Identity politics will follow the same trajectory as 1930's Germany where the successful Jews were blamed for German failure. And the same solutions will be found.
     
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    as 'christian' as priests sodomizing alter boys...
     
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    bs... the vast majority of christians are conservative... christian, catholic, baptist are all part of christianity and in 2016 the 'bible belt' voted trump...
     
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    Yes it is much simpler to think one race is smarter than another. Keeping it simple is a necessity for racists.

    As for solutions failing, that is a) meaningless with no metrics b) a stupid assumption that a societal problem that has been with us since day one can be solved in a mere 50 years and the wave of the wand.



    Poor white butt hurt for being blamed for being racist exploiters of black, brown, red and yellow people throughout history.

    So you wish to use generalizations and simplistic interpretations of complex events in order to support your feelz. You claim a you arrived at a rational conclusion of racial superiority. I would suggest you just needed to find a justification for your emotional animus and therefore you did.

    Sure thing. ONly a racist would believe that non-racists will behave like nazis - the ultimate white nationalist/supremacists.
    Its amazing the disingenuous bullshit some people will attempt to shovel.
     
  5. Pycckia

    Pycckia Well-Known Member

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    There are, of course, plenty of metrics. Here's a report on one of them:

    "THE ACHIEVEMENT GAP between white students and black students has barely narrowed over the last 50 years, despite nearly a half century of supposed progress in race relations and an increased emphasis on closing such academic discrepancies between groups of students.

    That's the finding that a new analysis of a landmark education report calls a "national embarrassment."

    "It's remarkable," says Eric Hanushek, senior fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University and research associate at the National Bureau of Economic Research, who authored the analysis. "I knew that the gap hadn't been closing too much, but when I actually looked at the data I was myself surprised."

    https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/d...between-white-and-black-students-still-gaping

    Fifty years not long enough? How long do you think will be necessary before the "acheivement gap" is closed? How would you go about doing it?


    What is irrational is my approach? At least the evidence is on my side. Your side needs to constantly find alibis to explain away the evidence.


    Non-racists are already behaving like Nazis. It is not racism that cause people to behave like Nazis. It is ideological thinking. When ideologies fail they seek scapegoats. And you are scapegoating Whites right here and right now.
     
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    Course if you want to call on educational experts and reports, then perhaps you should read them instead of populist summaries. From the source of your USNews story.


    I find it odd that in analysing the white/black academic achievement gap, the author does not attribute the "gap" to genetics. IN fact you should read the actual source article on the Coleman report from the author. No doubt you'll learn something

    No, I don't need to find any alibis or excuses. I am rather partial to finding reasons, otoh.

    I am familiar with the any number of tactics to present supporting evidence. and I've already checked off use cherry picking, factor elimination and misrepresentation on my list of those you use.


    bullshit projection. Get back to me when the non-racists start rounding up racists and giving them showers.
     
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    I don't find it odd. The author is a liberal and therefore appeals to the typical liberal alibis. But the main point here is that there are metrics and they show liberal solutions have failed. You, of course claimed there were no metrics.

    You say potato, I say potahto. The bottom line is that liberal policies have failed.

    Why don't you try using them yourself to present evidence of racial equality instead of excuses why you can't find any.

    It will be too late. But again, just what do you propose to do about racists?
     
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    You can if you want, it's a free country, who am I to judge what gets you off.

    I for one prefer whips over collars.
     
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    Which just proves that the vast majority of "Christians" are a sham. Most of them being pious hypocrites who just use their religion to justify hating most everyone who's not them, along with a whole host of prejudices practically requiring wholesale racial and ethnic bigotry as a lifestyle.
     
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    Of course you don't find it odd when you have an automatic "partisan" dismissal readily at hand.

    I am not debating the issue of effectiveness of the various education reforms over the past 50 years.

    Did you notice you are using a SINGLE METRIC while assuming a fallacious first cause? course not.



    Not to mention all those conservative ones. Or were all those republican administrations all really just libs in disguise? Bet you weren't left behind.



    Because those tactics are disingenuous. They are chosen and designed to support a biased pre determined conclusion. You know like a racist cherry picking a single metric to support their tidy whitey perspective.



    Create a social environment where those who actively express virulent racism and/or ethnobigotry are considered lowlife scumbags not worthy of attention or patronage. That'll at least metaphorically herd em together and leave them talking to themselves.
     
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  11. Pycckia

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    And how will ostracizing racists improve the plight of Black people? Is it somehow my fault that Google doesn't hire Black programmers?
     
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    Oh, you didn't ask that question. You asked what to do about racists? Getting them to crawl back under their rocks is a great start in dealing with the scumbags.

    As for improving the plight of black people would more appropriately be framed as improving the plight of the inhabitants of the lowest quintile in society. There is no single program or law "magic wand" to do that, is there? Oh wait of course cut taxes for the rich,what was I thinking?
     
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    A great start towards what end? Herding them into camps?

    Is there no point to fighting racism?
     
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    What's with this racist fixation about "camps"? Are you guys afraid the anti-racists will take a few pages from notable racists of the past an adopt pogroms and concentration camps as part of their " final solution" to racism?




    Of course there's a point, but you asked a specific question of me. Perhaps greater concision in your questions will yield answers that don't require you moving the goalpost down field.

    As an aside, the only reason I actually engage with you in some seriousness, is that unlike many of the racists around here you stand up for your beliefs. No matter how much I disagree with you, it indicates a principled stand. The good ol' boys around here are another matter entirely. Giant snowflakes who go apeshit when confronted with even the suggestion they are what they are.
     
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    Yes I am. Not so much "anti-racists" as POCs. As I outlined before, the general failure of POCs is blamed on racist whites. The continued failure of POCs will result in doubling down on this claim. The logical progression is to get rid of whites (and that includes you).





    Yes, I asked how ostracizing racists will help Blacks. Its not like you answered the question.
     
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    Certainly many are of a mixed race, but not all. You left out African. A Hispanic person can be of ANY race.
     

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