Should "In God We Trust" Be Taken Off Of US Currency? What Would Follow?

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    Would women who are veiled or women wearing religious wigs be band from public sector employment? Would a church and religious private schools be required to pay additional taxes? Would a cross be freedom of speech or an offensive medallion? Would swearing on the bible in courts be stopped? Would a Chaplain be band from serving the US troops during peace or war time?
     
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    "E Pluribus Unum" would make a fine replacement. It's the only national motto I acknowledge as legitimate.
     
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    Words in coins don't compel you to worship.
     
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    FreeWare Active Member Past Donor

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    No, but it compels the government to establish religious preference.
     
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    Surely the words on the money don't matter but what they represent does.

    If it is stating that the US government trusts in God, it seems pretty clear to me that it would breach your Constitution. If it is meant to be representative of what the people of America think, it could be seen as discriminatory at best. If it's just a quirk of (albeit fairly recent) history then there isn't any fundamental problem but then there would be equally no problem with removing or replacing it.

    None of the stuff in the OP has anything to do with this at all of course and I only hope it was deliberately ridiculous to make a point (though I'm not clear what that would be).
     
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    Are you sure that the words don't matter? I, personally, think that too many Americans do believe that the words are empty. However, this entire country's survival as a platform for goodness and the well being of man kind depends on the belief in the words. The reason that the nation doesn't follow Allah or Budah, or Satan is because of the words in the constitution. I know that may sound extreme, but, the point I am making is in the context of what the fore- fathers based their writing. They had to solidify the nation. Religion was what they had in common. England and Spain and France followed God but thru the direction of royalty. America didn't want a monarch or to be dependent on a King & Queens religious guidance.

    I was in the bank the other day. The female teller was covered from head to toe, except no veil. It was, obviously, a clear picture of religious right. I thought to myself, she is lucky that she in a country that allows room for religious freedom. There was a strict dress code in American Banks. They still may apply in various cities, however, they are applied on an individual basis.
     
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    How about ''In Government we trust''? I think it would suit the times we live in today. :)
     
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    A massive slippery slope fallacy
     
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    Printed on the US currency? LOL It would win Americans the world championship in self-irony. Which in itself would be ironic.
     
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    Yes. If they took the phrase off your money tomorrow, absolutly nothing else would change in your society as a result. What you believe and what is stamped on bits of metal or printed on bits of paper are two entirely different things.

    That's entirely a matter of opinion. I'm not convinced there has ever been a definitive link between such beliefs and "goodness and the well being of man", positive or negative. There is much more to it than that.

    It has been suggested that the words in the Constitution mean your nation shouldn't be following any deity. The fact it's founders tended to follow the same one (though not all of them and in a wide variety of manners) is a quirk of history and geography of many hundred years previously.

    I'm not clear what this has to do with "In God We Trust" being on US currency, just as I'm still not clear what the body of your OP does either.
     
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    Yes.

    Who knows, but it's a good start.
     
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    Which religion is it preferring then?
     
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    Be careful. If you speak truthfully you may get hauled off, beaten up, and stolen from.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHVB8qfDPQc"]YouTube - ‪Crazy Separation of Church and State Smackdown‬‏[/ame]
     
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    The three main monotheistic religions.
     
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    Clearly those with deities named God.
     
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    I would not like to see it go but it makes no differance to me. Ceaser can keep his I got mine.
     
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    What does "god" mean? I think the coins are art and should be treated like it. There value is set by markets and always changing.
     
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    If you don't like America, you can always leave......
     
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    Or I cant find the oppression of religion, so I and the rest of the country truly are free.
     
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    This is what is called the "Slippery Slope" fallacy.

    Why would any of those other things happen if "In God We Trust" was taken off of US currency?
     
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    So a phrase on legal tender oppresses you? How pathetic.
     
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    Have much trouble seeing the big picture?
     
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    Oh no, I see what you atheists want. God completely removed. That's not hard to see.

    As for the dollar bill, how has this dollar bill oppressed you? Please tell me how your day is just ruined because I am just dying to hear about it.
     
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    The Constitution says to "separate" church and state. That would imply that religion is expected to be a part of the American society. If it stated "no" religion then the USA would be Communist.

    Also, hypothetically speaking, if "In God We Trust" were removed it would mean that a high court had deamed the presence of the phrase to be unconstitutional. It would be considered unconstitutional. Money has the potential to belong to anyone. Anyone could be a Muslim, that refers to Allah, Buddhist that refer to Buda, Satanic persons that refer to Satan, and let us not leave out the Atheist or the Agnostic, who believe in no entity. USA currency is issued and controlled by the government. Does "in God we trust" fall under the Establishment Clause.

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    The Establishment Clause is the first of several pronouncements in the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, stating, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion". Together with the Free Exercise Clause ("... or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"), these two clauses make up what are called the "religion clauses" of the First Amendment.[1]

    If you take God out of the society, isn't the next step Communism. Would any symbol of a person's religious belief become an offense. For example, the woman wearing the religious covering. Would the rights of the people also have to be adjusted. Like the man wearing a cross around his neck. Would Muslims be able to pray openly. Would people have to keep all religious beliefs private, including an Atheist. Would public sectors, as well as state agencies have to protect the rights of the people working in the employ, by inhibiting any gestures of religion.

    ".......The new CNN-USA Today-Gallup poll found 77 percent of the 1,009 Americans interviewed earlier this week disapproved of U.S. District Judge Myron Thompson's order to remove the monument.
    Thompson ruled that Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore's placement of the 2.6-ton granite monument in the state building two years ago violated the U.S. Constitution's principle of separation of religion and government."........"Workers removed the monument about 9 a.m. (10 a.m. EDT), nearly a week after Thompson's deadline passed, and rolled it into a back room out of public view...."

    So, as I asked in the original post. What would happen if "In God We Trust" was taken off of the currency. What would follow?
     

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