Should Parents be Charged?

Discussion in 'Opinion POLLS' started by tecoyah, Apr 23, 2019.

?

Should Parents be Charged?

  1. No.....it's a personal choice.

    42.1%
  2. Yes...this is irresponsible.

    50.0%
  3. Other...I'll explain.

    7.9%
  1. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 15, 2008
    Messages:
    28,370
    Likes Received:
    9,297
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Thus far, we have fortunately avoided deaths from Measles and Mumps but many folks have contrated both diseases due to strange parents deciding NOT to vaccinate with the MMR vaccine. Should they be sued or charged with wanton endangerment?
     
    Last edited: Apr 23, 2019
  2. RiaRaeb

    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2014
    Messages:
    10,698
    Likes Received:
    2,469
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yes and the doctor in the UK who started this rubbish should be charged with manslaughter as a warning to others who think they can make money out of creating unfounded fears in others.
     
    Montegriffo and Derideo_Te like this.
  3. RiaRaeb

    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2014
    Messages:
    10,698
    Likes Received:
    2,469
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Derideo_Te likes this.
  4. cerberus

    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2015
    Messages:
    25,530
    Likes Received:
    5,363
    Trophy Points:
    113
    At the risk of being accused of xenophobia ( :rolleyes: ) there's a school of thought which suggests that many of these newly-revived conditions are brought in from third-world countries.
     
    Last edited: Apr 23, 2019
  5. RiaRaeb

    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2014
    Messages:
    10,698
    Likes Received:
    2,469
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Source?
     
    Derideo_Te likes this.
  6. cerberus

    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2015
    Messages:
    25,530
    Likes Received:
    5,363
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I can't give a source for 'a school of thought'? By that I mean from what I've heard or read over the course of time. But given that third-world countries don't necessarily have functioning health facilities, it would seem to make a certain amount of sense doncha agree?
     
    myview, ToddWB and Collateral Damage like this.
  7. Junkieturtle

    Junkieturtle Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2012
    Messages:
    15,838
    Likes Received:
    7,352
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    No, they should not be charged. Currently there are no laws under which they could be that I am aware of. And if such a law existed, how would it handle those for whom vaccines can be medically hazardous?

    I think that schools and other public and private entities have a right to ban people from their premises if they or their children have not been vaccinated but I do not think there is a mechanism that we can use to criminalize anti-vaxxer actions.

    Legally mandated vaccinations of the kind where parents go to prison if they don't get them for their children could also open up the government to all kinds of lawsuits when the small percentage of kids who have adverse reactions to a vaccine(or in the cases of spoiled, mismade, etc etc vaccines that cause illness or harm) sue the government because they didn't have a choice in choosing to administer them.
     
    Brexx and Blaster3 like this.
  8. Blaster3

    Blaster3 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2018
    Messages:
    6,008
    Likes Received:
    5,302
    Trophy Points:
    113
    as well as the 'pandora's box' effect... what things that we do, annoy/bother/disgust others, should we, also, be sued and or jailed for them? we are ever drawing closer & closer to being 'imprisoned' by regulations...
     
    Last edited: Apr 23, 2019
    Brexx, Junkieturtle and ToddWB like this.
  9. Xenamnes

    Xenamnes Banned

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2015
    Messages:
    23,895
    Likes Received:
    7,537
    Trophy Points:
    113
    If such a legal approach is going to be implemented in the united states, it should be extended to apply to every illegal alien who sneaks into the country and brings their diseases with them, especially their sick and unvaccinated children. These diseases were eliminated in the united states, so they had to come from somewhere.
     
    ToddWB likes this.
  10. Well Bonded

    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2018
    Messages:
    9,049
    Likes Received:
    4,354
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I believe you are correct, when there are people from third world countries entering the U.S. un-vetted, common sense would dictate some of them are going to bring diseases with them, diseases that we for the most part eradicated decades ago..
     
    kazenatsu and ToddWB like this.
  11. Collateral Damage

    Collateral Damage Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2012
    Messages:
    10,535
    Likes Received:
    8,149
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Shall we tattoo such information across their foreheads? Or perhaps a number or bar code on the arm to be scanned.

    Let us belittle and shun citizens of this country, but not enforce the same for those who come here from other countries without care....
     
  12. The Scotsman

    The Scotsman Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2017
    Messages:
    6,990
    Likes Received:
    6,288
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Wasn't Wakefield struck off....if not he should have been....more to the point it was the Daily Mail that gave the tosser oxygen....anyway that isn't the thread....
    No....parenting doesn't come with a set of conditions....unless you want to set some conditions....in which case one should have to apply for a breeding license
     
    roorooroo likes this.
  13. The Scotsman

    The Scotsman Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2017
    Messages:
    6,990
    Likes Received:
    6,288
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
  14. Pants

    Pants Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 22, 2018
    Messages:
    12,820
    Likes Received:
    11,221
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    I honestly don't know what the answer is with those parents, but I don't believe that arrests and incarcerations are the answer. Public safety is the issue here - not criminalizing stupid parenting. But I do agree with making it the law of the land for children to be immunized before they enter public and private schools. The parents must sign a form stating the date of the vaccinations - and if they have been proven to have lied, perhaps they can be severely fined. I just don't think that filling the prison system with yet another type of criminal is the answer.
     
    Mrs. b. and tecoyah like this.
  15. Pipette8

    Pipette8 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2016
    Messages:
    2,952
    Likes Received:
    1,076
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The biggest threat to western countries medically-wise is foreigners coming in who have latent TB. China, India, Southeast Asia, Africa, and many other countries still have massive problems with TB which is fast becoming resistant to antibiotics because of people's failure to follow the antibiotic regiment requirements, government's failure to monitor such treatments.
    Someone wrote, in another thread, that the Chinese president is smart. The truth is the Chinese president is a sociopath who would sacrifice the entire Chinese population if it meant being the big cheese in the world. This is evident when looking at their health statistics. A country with an income such as China's should be able to monitor and treat all TB cases, but they don't. In fact, last I read, the US sends aid money to China to help with its TB problem. They have one-third of all TB cases in the world, with one of the highest rates of multidrug resistant TB in the world. India is the same story.
    In the US, the number of TB cases in California is twice as high as the national average with 81% of these TB patients coming in from outside the US, in particular Asian and Western Pacific countries.
    The West eradicated TB by treating and isolating patients in TB wards. Other counties should do the same, but they don't have the inclination. Now, TB is back.
    So much for globalism. It will be the death of us all.
     
    ToddWB likes this.
  16. RiaRaeb

    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2014
    Messages:
    10,698
    Likes Received:
    2,469
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Nope you are a shining example of the internet, anti-truth, rumour and innuendo mill that has been created. A thread is started about the very real danger created by ill informed individuals not getting their children vaccinated. You respond without a single fact to back up your nonsense and throw in other nonsense about foreigners. Your stupidity and penchant for spreading crap is actually endangering children's lives. For nothing more than to entertain a sad and lonely old man. You sick,sad, ****.
     
    Last edited: Apr 23, 2019
    BillRM likes this.
  17. Robert E Allen

    Robert E Allen Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2018
    Messages:
    12,041
    Likes Received:
    5,750
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    No they shouldn't be charged, but yes when vaccinations are effective it's irresponsible of parents not to get their kids vaccinated but still a personal choice.

    It's irresponsible to have sex outside of marriage as it spreads disease yet we don't charge people for doing it. So charging people for not getting vaccinated is a bit hypocritical.
     
  18. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2014
    Messages:
    56,891
    Likes Received:
    21,024
    Trophy Points:
    113

    Yup. just ask the Native Americans...
     
    BillRM likes this.
  19. Collateral Damage

    Collateral Damage Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2012
    Messages:
    10,535
    Likes Received:
    8,149
    Trophy Points:
    113
    And you, an example of sanctimonious clap trap of which violation of personal sovereignty is but an illusion, until you find yourself on the side of violation.

    You want to vaccinate the hell out of you and yours, so is your personal choice to do so. Just keep in mind that the pharmaceutical companies that develop and distribute said vaccines, are free from being pestered with silly things like negligence lawsuits. Wonder why that is.
     
  20. Xenamnes

    Xenamnes Banned

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2015
    Messages:
    23,895
    Likes Received:
    7,537
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Perhaps the best course of action for treating such cases in order to prevent a global pandemic is euthanasia of those who cannot be treated.
     
  21. BuckyBadger

    BuckyBadger Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2018
    Messages:
    12,354
    Likes Received:
    11,778
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Unfortunately no. Being a moron and a lousy parent is not a crime. Having an IQ level bordering on retardation and having kids is not a crime.
     
    tecoyah likes this.
  22. Blaster3

    Blaster3 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2018
    Messages:
    6,008
    Likes Received:
    5,302
    Trophy Points:
    113
    traveling americans have also brought diseases back, and lets not forget nafta and all that produce & foods that aren't regulated by the usa nor the fda nor the health dept. many disease carrying insects/germs have made their way here from that 'free' trade bs.
     
  23. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 15, 2008
    Messages:
    28,370
    Likes Received:
    9,297
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Is getting my kid terribly sick on purpose a crime?
     
  24. BuckyBadger

    BuckyBadger Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2018
    Messages:
    12,354
    Likes Received:
    11,778
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Probably, but therein lies the problem. They can just say "not me", "I didn't know", "you are being racist" and they can get out of any charges they want. Society today lacks complete accountability. Judges fail to uphold laws. Laws are not passed that benefit society. Laws are passed to keep taxing you.

    I get your point of view and I agree with it. But they will never hold someone accountable for giving your son/daughter a disease. They will blame you and you will have to suffer.
     
    Last edited: Apr 23, 2019
    Mrs. b. and tecoyah like this.
  25. Xenamnes

    Xenamnes Banned

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2015
    Messages:
    23,895
    Likes Received:
    7,537
    Trophy Points:
    113
    One would have to go about proving the individual in question actually went out of their way with the express intent of passing illness to demonstrate it was done on purpose.

    Then again, in the state of California, it is no longer a crime to deliberately and maliciously infect another with HIV.
     

Share This Page