Should people have a right to divorce if their spouse does not want one?

Discussion in 'Opinion POLLS' started by PopulistMadison, May 21, 2016.

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Should people have a right to divorce if their partner does not want one?

  1. Yes, make it predictable and fair.

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  2. No, keep it how it is.

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  3. Other / Don't know

    2 vote(s)
    14.3%
  1. PopulistMadison

    PopulistMadison Active Member

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    I realize all 50 states are different, but my understanding of most is that if both want the divorce, they can get a no fault divorce. But if one partner does not want it, the other partner must prove fault. Failure to have sex is not allowed as a fault.

    When 2 people who are stuck together argue, the Violence Against Women Act mandates one of them be locked up a long time, since arguing can escalate to violence, and they want to stop violence before it happens.

    I propose we make it easier for people to divorce, with standard alimony equations and roommate matching networks for divorced people. Kids are better with a loving pair of parents, but the stats don't compare kids of divorce to kids of parents who fight all the time.


    I see a bad trend in society:
    Let date get invested by paying for many dates. Then say saving sex for marriage. If sex before marriage, threaten rape accusation if does not marry without a prenup. Once married, do not agree to divorce until after 10 years. Then get permanent alimony. Religion is the excuse, not the reason.

    Most people are nice and don't want to stay with someone they don't like and do not do that. However, I think 10-20% might, and that is scary. Some guys refuse to marry, even after a woman slept with him for 5 years. This makes her jaded so that she might join the first group. The jaded people recruit other members of their sex to their group in a vicious cycle.

    My solution, letting people split easier, takes away much of the risk, so that people can trust each other. Also, for domestic violence, I think cops should just jail people overnight, or overnight multiple nights with work release, instead of holding people so long. The ability of mean people to jail others 6+ months gives them too much power, and the fact that the abused would lose their bread winner means they won't report the violence. It gets swept under the rug. Do you agree?
     
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    Texan Well-Known Member

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    I don't see how you can force someone to stay married. That could never end well. I had good proof and a good lawyer, so it's a moot point.
     
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    Unfortunately, it already seems like marriage is a throw-away for some people. I don't think we need to make it even easier. No one I know who has been married, and decided to divorce was prevented from doing so.

    Yes, it can turn into a battle over material goods or children, but who really wants to stay married to someone who doesn't want them?
     
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    give the man the first option to keep the children, women file for most divorce because they have the least to lose in a divorce, the man loses his children and pays child support

    that would reverse the trend quickly

    many men today are choosing not to get married
     
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  5. Junkieturtle

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    Uh...yeah. Marriage is not meant to be a prison...
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I was married and when my youngest was 9, she thought it time to find "greener pastures". I didn't want the divorce. 2 years later she decided our marriage wasn't so bad. She wanted back. I agreed because I wanted the family together, I believe in that "til death do you part stuff". I insisted on a "Covenant Marriage".....she agreed. We married again but this time the marriage stated that if one party wanted out, they would first have to submit to 6 months of Marriage counseling. It was legal and binding. After a year she wanted out. She saw an attorney. The attorney told her there was no way out. She had to submit to the counciling. She entered into an agreement with extra demands knowing full well. So what she did was tell me over dinner, after we ordered our meal "if you don't let me out of this marriage, Ill be the bad guy". At that point, I didn't want it anymore. Told her she was out. I left her to pay for a dinner for two and gave her the divorce.
    The point is,when one partner is willing to violate a Covenant before God, there is nothing that can be done. Marriage takes a lot of work. No one is perfect but if they work at it, they will get better. I believe in marriage. So does my new wife. We have a blended marriage before God and it works!.....for almost 20 years!
     
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    I don't think that's accurate. I know of no state that won't allow someone a divorce. Now, theres likely states where you don't get to take half the stuff with you unless you have a valid reason for divorce... but I don't anyone is forced to stay in a marriage.

    Personally I think it should be a standard in all marriage licenses something to the effect of: 'you can leave whenever you want, but unless you can prove abuse or adultery, you leave with what you came with.' A pre-nup could amend that to whatever, but that should be the default. This 'I changed my mind about you, so now you have to find a new home' stuff is BS. If you wanna quit the relationship, then you quit all the stuff that relationship built.

    But then again, I don't plan on inviting the govt into my relationship by signing a marriage document anyway, so I guess my opinion doesn't really matter.
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well F me... sucked into another zombie thread... :rolleyes:

    They just wont stay dead!!
     
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    There's just not enough 'fresh meat' on the forums at the moment. So we eat leftovers, lol.
     
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    A necro thread rises again...
     
  11. conservaliberal

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    No one should be forced to be in any relationship that they find to be no longer desirable or acceptable. We should remember that when we are born into citizenship in the United States, we are citizens first, with all the rights of citizens in this country, and "spouses" (if we decide to get married) afterward!
     
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    Pretty sure this is mistaken. For sure, I couldn't stop my ex from getting a divorce, not that I wanted to. Divorcing for cause is usually about property settlement and/or custody arrangements.

    VAWA is about disclosing housing arrangements, it is not about putting people in jail. You might want to google this.

    This is pretty much how it stands now.

    This is both incel and unrealistic.

    You're assuming a grand conspiracy by each sex against the other and presupposing the ability to keep half the species from telling the other half what's going on. That's not the way people work.

    This 'solution' is actually worse than the 'problem' it is created to solve. There is a reason that the powers of law enforcement are separate from those of the judiciary. This idea also violates due process - Your hypothetical cop is imprisoning people without proof of a crime, let alone guilt.

    Personally I think your assessment of the problem is fundamentally flawed and your solutions exacerbate the problems they purport to solve.
     
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    There is no way to force someone to stay in a successful marriage. If someone wants out, cheating will happen and then all bets are off. Forcing people to stay married invites domestic violence.
     
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