Should people who have lost their job due to COVID, unable to pay rent, be evicted?

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Should people who have lost their job due to COVID, unable to pay rent, be evicted?

  1. Yes - Anyone who cant pay should be evicted

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    37.9%
  2. No - This is an unprecedented crisis, and allowances must be made.

    12 vote(s)
    41.4%
  3. Other - Please explain below.

    6 vote(s)
    20.7%
  1. Pollycy

    Pollycy Well-Known Member

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    It is your opinion, Aleks, that "NOBODY has 6-8 months wages laid by. Nobody, if you say you do you are lying or delusional, probably both." When I was working, I always had enough cash on hand and/or commodities (like food) "laid by" to last six months. STOOPID, completely irresponsible people don't have any savings, but others do!

    Maybe my experience was different from many because at crucial stages of my childhood, what was left of my family was very poor -- and back in those days, there were no gigantic government handout welfare programs.

    You either supported yourself, somehow, or you had to go begging to someone else, or a church, or something, which was something WE never did.
     
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  2. Richard The Last

    Richard The Last Well-Known Member

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    If the government has all the money and makes money why do they take taxes from me?
    You say the Government could pay the National Debt tomorrow. If the debt could be paid why not pay it? It seems rather stupid to pay hundreds of billions in interest on a debt that could be paid tomorrow.
    "...and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth." Abraham Lincoln
    Where did the debt come from and how does it give value to our money?
     
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  3. fishinD

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    Actually I do. I'm not lying or delusional. Wasn't always the case. Discovered Dave Ramsey. Developed a budget. Got out of debt (was painful AF). Slowly accumulated 6 months living expenses. It can be done. Regardless of income level. It requires a change in mindset however. Accepting the norm of car payments, credit card payments, home equity lines, etc, is the real downfall in America. Live below your means, delayed gratification and don't borrow money for anything except your first home. Yes, we drive older cars. My friends all appear to be doing way better than us. Nicer stuff all around than we have. But we only have a mortgage payment, and even that will be gone in about 5 years, maybe less.

    Yes Ramsey can feel a bit like a cult. But it's so simple and it works. I keep preaching it to everyone I know, and my kids will benefit from the teachings and have a much better start to life than I did.
     
  4. wgabrie

    wgabrie Well-Known Member Donor

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    If you don't have a roof over your head, then you're homeless. Not a good situation.

    I think I heard at one point that congress was considering a mortgage halt on payments, for the next stimulus package, or something like that a few weeks ago. So, I thought I'd bring it up.

    Seriously, if people can't pay their mortgage then they will be on the streets. Lose everything. And, while allowing that to happen is a capitalist argument (letting the poor fail), it does nothing to help the economy. Nobody was prepared for this, and it's unreasonable to argue that people should have been prepared for this pandemic, in this economy where it's the survival of the fittest.
     
  5. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    And you'll be wiped out right along with the rest of us given another year of this.

    **** the cults, they're going to kill us all.
     
  6. fishinD

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    Just a tad bit fatalistic, don't ya think?

    And any "cult" that is about empowering yourself to become financially independent, well, sign me up for getting killed then!
     
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    The gov't interjected themselves when they told people they can no longer work.
    That makes them mostly responsible for paying those people's bills they affected.

    The gov't needs to stay out of all of it then. But then, one of gov'ts main functions is to protect/help it's citizens.

    The gov't can't take a large part of the country's jobs away and then not pay the bills of those who's jobs they've taken.
    Putting them out in the street, no shelter or food.

    If those receiving the extra $600 aren't paying rent when that money is equal to or above their normal checks, there is no excuse to not pay rent and evictions should happen.
    But now, that $600 is gone and there's still 12% or so unemployed.

    How will those unemployed losing the $600 going to pay the bills?
     
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    The rich have zero problems getting free **** from the govt why should everyone else feel guilty?
     
  9. Pollycy

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    Actually, you are partly correct! The rich have the advantage of a completely corrupted U. S. Tax Code that lets them get out of paying the fair share on their taxes by using loopholes, shelters, exclusions, exceptions, and deductions! They use armies of tax attorneys and tax accountants to make sure that they pay way less -- as a percentage of their incomes -- than the people who work for them!

    That said, the way that Congress and Trump threw together this last gigantic welfare handout, a lot of people have made more money 'sucking on the teat' than they did working at their jobs. But, Washington was in a terrific panic to protect the stock markets, so they just started throwing money around with reckless abandon -- and now they've got to keep it up because people expect to go on staying at home, doing nothing, but getting paid plenty by the government to do it. :cheerleader:

    Well, Dairy, what should we do? Liberal Democrats howled and whined that Trump was pushing everybody to 'open back up' too quick, but now you infer that government shouldn't ever have imposed any quarantine measures when the massive assault of a pandemic virus hit America?!

    Believe it or not, government does have a responsibility to protect its citizens from things like deadly, debilitating epidemics. And, separately, INDIVIDUAL CITIZENS have a responsibility to THEMSELVES to prepare for the possibility of unforeseen 'tough breaks' during their lives -- WHICH IS WHY RESPONSIBLE PEOPLE, WHO AREN'T MORONS, 'SAVE ENOUGH MONEY FOR A RAINY DAY'.... :eekeyes: How much is enough? Each person must determine how much that amount should be -- based on what each person's vulnerabilities ARE. It's the kind of thing that ADULTS do....

    Why should the entire U. S. Government go even more trillions of dollars in debt to 'rescue' people who didn't have enough sense to do anything to save themselves?!
     
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    IMO you're doing the correct thing.
    Put off self gratification for a few years. Pay cash. Pay oneself. Why pay interest on things one buys. Only makes that purchase more expensive overall.
    Cash is king.
     
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    I inferred it to one who claims gov't should not get involved in handing out payments.
    Hence why I stated at the end of my post one of gov'ts main job is to protect the citizens.

    As far as what people should save and how, I can't answer for some 150M adults. Nor will I attempt.

    So, some shutdowns, IMO were necessary given the uncertainty at the time and how other countries were having such high cases and deaths.
    Also, there is a bit of history on how to handle something like this, the 1918 Spanish flu also needed to have shutdowns of parts of the economy during high breakout periods.
    We can't stop it, all we can do is hopefully control it and not overload our healthcare system and workers. And not kill them off in the process.
     
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    If you wilfully refuse to save for a rainy day, and now find yourself in a pickle, you forfeit the right to any further choice.

    Your choice was made when you elected to live beyond your means.
     
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    They should have thought about that before they spent all their money on fast food, big city rents, and iphones.
     
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    What do you not understand about the word "unexpected" in the adage that we must all save for "unexpected emergencies"? WTF do you think that unexpected emergency slush fund is actually for? Holidays?

    It's incredibly UNreasonable to suggest that people shouldn't have to plan ahead for unexpected economic disasters. Talk about entitled and selfish!
     
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    Not if they have the means of survival. Plenty of us do. I have land, water, and farming skills .. for example.
     
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    Lets just say they didn't. So how does this turn out with all those starving homeless angry people roaming cities. What does that say to businesses hoping for a stable place to open their doors and for the markets hoping to encourage the collection of investment capital. How about the political system Does the French Revolution or the Russian revolution or Cuba, or Bolivia or Argentina or China, or half of Africa ring any bells? Maybe we'll all be lucky and have a great depression without an FDR and maybe a handy world war will show up to stimulate industry, and maybe we might win it.
     
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    I take it you're suggesting all those minimum wage earners now out of work, spent their working lives living very very frugallyin order to save for some unforeseen economic catastrophe. What happened to their money, in that case?
     
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    I am suggesting it does not matter where their money went, ours will go right down the tubes if there is widespread unrest, crime and hunger. No stability in economics and political system means real bad news for all but a very few people in this country.
     
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    Oh but it DOES matter where the money went - because as you say, disaster is looming. People who care about their families and their societies don't throw away dollars as if nothing will ever go wrong.

    Where's the money?
     
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    Its not about where theirs disappeared to, its what will become of the country. You have to decide if you want anarchy or not.
     
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    Evictions should be postponed due to Trump's economic shutdown, but people will have to pay eventually or be evicted
     
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    the mega corps got over 4 trillion to help out, could do the same for the middle class on down

    maybe some zero interest loans or some of the negative interest loans they been talking about
     
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    the system does not allow them to save or work overtime, if they do, they lose benefits and actually earn less, if they save too much, they lose all their benefits until they spend that savings... just the way it works
     
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    I'm not understanding what you are saying in this post. Can you explain it in a different way so a simple guy like me can comprehend?
     
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    Let me put it another way. Why did the people who 'lost' their money, decide they wanted anarchy?
     
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