Should Republican state legislatures appoint Trump electors regardless?

Oh heck no. The mere idea is repellant. It would be mutiny. I'm a Trump supporter. But I'd in no way support thwarting the will and votes of the American people like that. If Trumps lawyers can't make their cases in court, then that's the end of it. It's over. I would join with Biden supporters condemning such an endeavor.

 

Holy ****. THANK YOU. Seriously. We disagree about stuff, but this is beyond. No one should advocate for this. It's the end.

 

Agreed. We have different positions and values. But it is as much your country as mine. If your votes are more in number, then the wheelhouse is under your command because it is your country, your life, and your ship too. May you have fair weather and your eyes be sharp. And I will pull my weight in cargo or the back of the bus or whatever is the term. Damned mutiny. Just get us to harbor.

 

My god there it is! The beating heart of a patriot, willing to see the arc of history and our bit part in it. I’m going to do my best to remember the sentiment in your post to inject more compassion and empathy into the way I deal with people I disagree with; here and in person. This is so rare here. I think it’s worth A LOT. Thank you.

 

Trump should respect the Constitution.

for a change

 

There's no need to get rid of the electoral college, it still plays an important roll.

But there's no need for actual people to serve as electors. Each state can still have the number of electoral votes they currently have, but those votes don't need to correspond to an actual person casting each of them. States should amend their laws so that these electors vote according to the popular vote winner in the state, whether it's winner-take-all or divided into districts like Maine and Nebraska. There should never, ever, be a situation where these electors are choosing someone. They need to be there to represent the popular vote decision in their respective states. Which is why there's no need for these electors to be actual physical people who go to Congress and who, according to individual state laws, might have the ability to vote for whomever they want regardless of the election outcome in their state. That essentially makes these electors more important than the voters. And that's completely ridiculous.

There only need to be one representative of each state present. That person then announces who their states electoral votes go to. They don't need to vote, they shouldn't have a say, in any capacity. They are there to simply relay, in an official capacity, who the already determined recipient of that state's electoral votes is.

 

I think you would have to check each states constitution to see what provisions they have for such an action. For instance it almost happened in FL 2000 because the safe harbor date was quickly approaching and Gore was still fighting it and the FSC had nullified the certification by the Secretary of State meaning the had no certified electors. Of course the SCOTUS entered and demanded the FSC to show under what authority to what they were doing and they could not and the election was certified. So just because the state legislature was not happy with the outcome of the vote, I don't know they can just do that in most states after the vote has occurred and been certified.

 

Why the Dems don't, he's one to play in kind. What party did all these officials who were changing the rules of the election belong to? The Constitution says ONLY the state legislature can set the rules.

 

Where does the Constitution say the electors must vote the popular vote winner in their state? The Constitution doesn't even call for them to be elected by the people.

 

The House and the Senate, which concurrently work on their individual budgets, routinely ignore the President's suggestions, and that is all his budget is a suggestion, when formulating theirs. It's called DOA. Trump has always called for across the board spending cuts. Presidents don't control the budgets, Congress does.

 

You can't say in one breath that he proposed massive spending cuts across the board while defending his proposed budgets as suggestions when they, if implemented, would increase deficits.

 

Read the recent SCrOTUS decision provided earlier this year that ESTABLISHED that electors have NEVER had any choice BUT to vote in accordance with the popular vote winner of their state.

 

What witnesses are showing is that their faith in the election is shaken and needs to be fixed. What they witnessed should concern everyone. Seeing how this election was held at least half of the country will not think it was fair which is a concern.

 

What should happen is in the states with so many irregularities and witnessed laws broken the certification should be nullified.

 

You have that backwards. They are not taking their constitutional duty seriously by allowing certification of an unverifiable election.

 

The Election IS Verifiable. Period.

^And, Everybody KNOWS That.

For further discussion:

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?forums/conspiracy-theories.63/

 

True but it's a separate issue. The Democrats are going to resist any effort to have fair elections. Their political machines have been doing this for 150 years, and they've already stolen successfully one Presidential election that we're aware of (1960). The problem is that the GOP won't do anything. They didn't do anything in 1960 and they are not going to do it now.

 

Every state has a law saying the electord shall be chosen by the winner of the popular vote.

The only way to undo this is to break the law.

I wonder what the Republicans would have said if the Democrats did this in 2016.

 

I beg your pardon, but most states have laws on the books passed by state legislatures to award their states to the candidate who wins the popular vote. No state has repealed those laws. Hence the legislatures are bound to the election laws they passed.

Besides this, 33 states have passed faithless elector laws which require the elector to vote for the candidate they were pledged to vote for. Of the remaining 17 states, Trump won 10 of them. That basically leaves but 7 states where this might be possible. Georgia is one state without a faithless elector law. But each candidate on the ballot must submit a slate, list of electors to the secretary of state prior to the election. Our election via popular vote selects which slate of electors will cast Georgia's electoral votes. It will be Biden's slate of electors, electors which Biden and or his campaign choose which cast Georgia's electoral votes. Not our state legislature. This is state law and has never been repealed. So Georgia is out regardless of what the Republican controlled legislature does.

 

Congress can decide not to certify the electors from any state that has gone rogue.

So this little plan is dead in the water.

 

You said it is stipulated in the Constitiution..............where quote it. And some states allocate by district not by a statewide popular vote winner take all and in fact you state does not even have to let you vote for them, read the Constitution. And what Scotus said was the electors have to vote for the candidate they pledged to vote for if they won a seat as an elector.

 

Yes he proposed across the board spending cuts and would have cut deficits or slowed their growth at a minimum. We need more fiscal conservatives in Congress not the progressive Dems and Rino's if you want to address the deficits and surely you did not support Biden or any of these Democrats if you truly are serious about cutting the deficits since they are proposing and advocating spending increases like we have never seen. You DO support the Republicans on the COVID stimulus don't you and not the Democrats $3T spending spree they want to go on correct? You don't support the Dems student loan forgiveness do you?

 

Not since Chiafalo v. Washington and Department of State v. Baca is it legal.

 

Scotus has ruled on this. Chiafalo v. Washington and Department of State v. Baca

 

The prez signs the budget.

Deficits have careened out of control because of the huge tax cuts for the super rich.