Should Russia and Europe celebrate Columbus Day?

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  1. SovietChild

    SovietChild Active Member

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    Getting rid of Columbus Day talk is trending in USA. Apparently, American people want to replace the Columbus Day with Indigenous People’s Day. "What's mine is mine and what's your is mine" was the philosophy of Columbus when he arrived in America. Sometimes you just have to do evil if it creates a greater good, no? The reason why Russia is so big and many other European countries was so powerful is because of Columbian Exchange. I think I herd somewhere that potato is the bloodline of Russia. If that's so, then Europe and Russia should celebrate Columbus Day. Do you agree?
     
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    No. I'm neither spanish or italian either way, the two countries most concerned by Columbus.

    I have difficulties to follow your logic. Yes, by the way, we're all happy to have tomatoes and potatoes, but it doesn't deserve a day for that.
     
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    I suppose, as long as we celebrate Ivan the Terrible day and Napoleon's birthday.
     
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    Actualy US should celebrate Napoleon birthday. He got france babkcrupt and sold the half the continent to US for a measly number of $.
     
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    I'm sick of all this bull crap.

    Humans are crap..maybe we shouldn't celebrate any of them...
     
  6. SovietChild

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    At the end of the day, you win at the expense of others, no?
     
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    Me? No when i win it's because of my skills knowledge and hard work and luck
    When I lose it's because of my ignorance, lack of skill hard work and lunch.

    Has nothing to do with anyone else's success or failure.
     
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    Potato is bloodline of Moskva?....You heard?

    What else do you hear? That wind,....fire, and the concept of the wheel is a vatnik invention? ROFL.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A few bits about Christopher Columbus:

    The Italians have statues of Columbus all over the place, but now that it's known he wasn't from Genoa, Italy they could care less. He's not from Spain either, nor is he Jewish. So instead of being the great Columbus who opened up the world and made it what it is today. He is now a boogeyman.

    Anyway the Greeks think he was from the town of Pyrghi on the island of Chios, and the house is recognized by the EU, but they are wrong. Columbus pretended he was from Chios by saying he came from the 'Republic of Genoa' which included Chios, but it was a cover up. The only thing known about him, is that he sailed with his cousin who was a French admiral and a Paleologus - and that was the name of the Byzantine emperors.

    We're talking about top nobility here. This is why Columbus knew fluent Latin and Greek, and was able to walk in and out of the courts of Europe. This is also why the king and queen of Spain stood up to greet him - something that was unheard of. It's also why he was able to marry someone from a top Portuguese noble family.

    The only heir to the Byzantine throne was the youngest son Thomas who had married a Genovese merchant princess and unlike the others became Roman Catholic. With the Turkish onslaught, he left with his family to Chios where he and his wife had relatives, then Corfu and then Rome.

    The Pope married off Thomas' youngest daughter to the Tsar of Russia with the hope of putting the Russian Church under him, and his two sons disappeared from history. The oldest one was Andrea who I believe was Christopher Columbus.

    Andreas needed money for a Crusade to free Constantinople from the Turks, and this is why he wanted a new route to bypass the Ottomans. The reason Columbus was so secretive about himself, had to do with the Sultan Mehmed II and his declaration that he was the new Roman Emperor.. This meant that any heir to the Byzantine throne with his descendants was a threat, and had to be killed.
     
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    Now back to the subject. If Christopher Columbus hadn't discovered America what would Europe have done?

    1 - Would there have been more Crusades to kill off the population?
    2 - Would the animals have enough food without corn?
    3 - Would the Germans have to eat bread instead of potatoes?
    4 - Would there have been more wars with Russia for land?
    5 - Would there have been a potato famine in Ireland?
    6 - Would Europeans know about Turkeys?





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    Nearly half of all major crops currently grown worldwide are originally from America. According to Alfred Crosby, Jr., the addition of corn to the diet of African countries led to population growth, which contributed to the spread of the African slave trade in America. The addition of potatoes to European diets led to a population explosion in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, which in turn contributed to European emigration to America and Australia. Crops from America also played a key role in the rule of England, Germany and, finally, Russia; an uprising of these northern peoples shifted Europe's energy base from the Mediterranean.
     
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    Columbus Day stands for now. I hope your Russia is not infected with this self-loathing.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's political correctness gone awry. It was Columbus and the other explorers who brought Christianity and civilized the Americas, and if their actions towards the natives seem cruel today, (which I'm sure they were), it's because today people have no idea of the barbarism that existed in pagan societies.

    I put the blame on the Protestants and their animosity towards the Catholic Church. In discarding the writings of the monks, who were the only ones who could write at the time, they discarded all history from the time of the Emperor Constantine to the Protestant reformation.
     
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    Very insightful.
     
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