Should the elderly be hospitalized if they have corona?

No. If you are advocating not giving care to the elderly and suggesting anyone over the age 80 has lived too long, the analogy stands.

 

If you are advocating that many millions should be squashed economically for the benefit of those who's yearly mortality is very high anyway, I disagree

 

At least they should be treated humanely as is the case in Canada.

 

This is a terrible situation. It is best not to make these situations into a philosophical exercise.

 

Thank you very much for working in helping profession! Thank you for caring for critical patients!

All lives have paramount importance to G-d.

 

It isn't. It's reality in Italy right now. Face it.

 

You don't deserve a response if you don't understand the dilemma. Read the lifeboat dilemma on wikipedia. It will be good practice for you.

 

Nevertheless, you said outright that CV victims over age 80 should be denied admission to a hospital.

Maybe that would be interesting, were Italian medical personnel acting pursuant to such a top-down directive as your OP advocated.

 

hmmm i'd say in large part we treat our prisoners far too humanely .

for example hard labor is not cruel and or unsusal.

having a tv in prison? absolutely absurd. Prison rape? immediate death penalty.
fighting in prison? life in solitary.

outside contact? hell no!

all our prisons are now is training grounds for gangbangers.

drug dealing is a violent crime and dealers should not be treated well, food , bed and labor that should be their life.

 

I disagree 100%. To a great degree life in US Prison, especially Supermax is a torture lasting years or decades.

 

No it's not, withholding oxygen, electrifying gonads, and removing body parts is torture..

Being behind bars is justice.

 

Maybe? There is no maybe about it. Young corona patientes get priority over old corona patients in Italian ICU's dealing with overwhelming numbers of corona sufferers. Right now. Not on the internet. in the real world.

It's a reasonable and I think sensible allocation of resources when one has to choose. If you don't choose and just sit there agonizing about how unfair life is, they all die.

 

We're in a pandemic. Face reality. There aren't nearly enough beds for everyone, as Gov. Cuomo continues to tell us. So where are you going to put the excess numbers of Corona patients? In the broom closet? In the chapel? In the pharmacy? In the hallway? How about in the pediatric ward? Let's infect lots of innocent children (along with young nurses) while we are saving grandma.

 

It’s not abstract any more . It is a reality.

 

People who make life and death decisions are very high on Social Ladder. None of them would post on this small forum.

 

Wait until the day when you have an elderly relative (with Alzheimer’s disease) who has fallen over and broken a hip.
The dr in emergency will say” this patient is incontinent, can’t feed himself and is non communicative. Do you really want him to go through the trauma of having the hip repaired and be unable to go through rehab because of the cognitive deficit, or do you think it might be more humane and loving to palliate him in a hospice given that a hip fracture will result in an earlier death.
See excerpt below.
“One in three adults aged 50 and over dies within 12 months of suffering a hip fracture. Older adults have a five-to-eight times higher risk of dying within the first three months of a hip fracture compared to those without a hip fracture. This increased risk of death remains for almost ten years.”
http://theconversation.com/why-hip-fractures-in-the-elderly-are-often-a-death-sentence-95784

 

If you are in a lifeboat with a number people, you toss the one that can’t trusted to care about anyone’s life but their own; that is the one that endangers everyone else’s life.

 

It is inhumane to refuse "treatment" ( a quick painless death) to those who have a terminal illness, ...yet there are those who thought Kavorkian was a
murderer, who think ending suffering is wrong........are you actively fighting these people?

Trying to get laws changed so people who want to end their lives can?

There are many older people suffering from illnesses who would gladly go gently and painlessly into death but IDIOTS want to keep them alive as long as possible to milk every penny out of them.

Are you fighting to change the laws on euthanasia?

Are YOU willing to give up your life for a doctor?

 

I'm 85. I don't agree with their being a flat, fixed age limit for 'llive or die'. The medical professionals have to do their triage. If it's me on a cot laying next to a younger person on a cot and they have to resort to eni, meni, mini, mo I say they give the benefit to the young person. I would hope they'd still do all they could for me. If nothing more than hold my hand, even though I came in second.

 

Euthanasia? Thanks for the laugh.

I already explained this several times. It's about voluntary prioritizing of treatment and holding hospitals harmless if they prioritize those with a greater chance of recovery.

Some who are sent home will recover on their own. Some will die. But that isn't euthanasia. (Don't use words you don't the definition of.)

Some who are hospitalized will die anyway.

I put children ahead of the elderly in terms of priority. You seem unable to choose.

As for what I would do when I am 80, and have a preexisting condition, and get an infectious disease, yes the doctor's and the nurses' lives at that point are more important.

 

THANK YOU!!

Of course you would. And if course they would

I imagine the majority of octogenarians feel the same way.

 

Lol. Sorry, that's not how it works. Face reality. We have a shortage of beds. Two corona patients, one 13 (your son), and the other 80 with a history of heart disease (my grandfather) show up at the hospital and both want the one bed available.

No time for speeches. Give one of them a bed. Choose. Right now. Your child or my grandfather.

 

I suppose we could put 6 sick people in one bed. We don't want to discriminate.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ws...nts-face-looming-icu-bed-shortage-11585067606

 

Social Darwinism is Evil.

As a 50 yo man with Depression and Autism I am not very productive. Many Social Darwinists would view me as useless.

 

Men with emphysema don't live to 99.