Should the Government Provide Free Universal Health Care for All Americans?

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Should the Government Provide Free Universal Health Care for All Americans?

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  2. No

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  1. hudson1955

    hudson1955 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Won't make a difference, if she doesn't have insurance here in the U.S. she will have to pay the penalty and then pay cash for her care in Canada.

    I predict once HHS reduces Medicaid and Medicare payments to physicians and hospitals and private insurance follows suit; more providers will require cash payment for services and stop taking insurance altogether. It amazes me the Hospitals can be forced by law to treat patients including physicians on their staff, without payment; knowing the patient is unable to pay. And, Physicians that don't get paid for the services they provide cannot deduct the loss of the cost to provide their services. And, I urge you to research the number of physicians that are successful in suing a patient for the amount the patient owes them. It is a lie that medical fees are the number 1 cause of bankruptcy. Most Hospitals and physicians would rather get paid $10.00/month than nothing. Bankrupting a patients yields nothing. Think about it. The Bankruptcies the Administration sites only include medical bills as PART of the debt owed by the individual. If there is any debt where you can "work an affordable monthly payment:", it is medical expenses.
     
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    Krugman: If Obamacare can work in a state of 38 million people, it can work in America as a whole



    California, Here We Come?

    At a time like this, you really want a controlled experiment. What would happen if we unveiled a program that looked like Obamacare, in a place that looked like America, but with competent project management that produced a working website?

    Well, your wish is granted. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you California.

    Now, California isn’t the only place where Obamacare is looking pretty good. A number of states that are running their own online health exchanges instead of relying on HealthCare.gov are doing well. Kentucky’s Kynect is a huge success; so is Access Health CT in Connecticut. New York is doing O.K. And we shouldn’t forget that Massachusetts has had an Obamacare-like program since 2006, put into effect by a guy named Mitt Romney.

    California is, however, an especially useful test case. First of all, it’s huge: if a system can work for 38 million people, it can work for America as a whole. Also, it’s hard to argue that California has had any special advantages other than that of having a government that actually wants to help the uninsured. When Massachusetts put Romneycare into effect, it already had a relatively low number of uninsured residents. California, however, came into health reform with 22 percent of its nonelderly population uninsured, compared with a national average of 18 percent.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/25/o...?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20131125&_r=0
     
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    Toefoot Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Now the truth.....

    In the past I’ve written here about the U.S. federal budget not being $17 trillion in the red, but more than $200 trillion (with a “t”). The calculations come not from some right-wing activist, but from Prof. Laurence Kotlikoff, a professor of economics at Boston University and a research associate at the National Bureau of Economic Research.

    This is important for California because something around half of the state budget — the total amount — comes from the federal government. When the feds begin cutting back spending sharply, as inevitably they will, then California will see sharp cuts in Medicaid/Medical, AFDC, SNAP/food stamps (more than the recent cuts), education/No Child Left Behind/Race to the Top, etc.

    And we have this little item to address:

    New credit evaluation standards for public pension liabilities proposed by Moody's Investors Service would swell unfunded liabilities for California's state and local public pension plans to $328.6 billion from $128.3 billion, according to a report released on Monday.

    At the higher level, the unfunded pension liabilities would come to $8,600 per resident of the most populous U.S. state, the report by the California Public Policy Center said.

    Lets look at the Clock:

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...hIKgDA&usg=AFQjCNFjB-OO1BYH4cMySm5JNXvD_s7nEA



    So, tell me again How this wonderful Health program is working?


     
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    The fact is our health care system just is not efficient even with Obamacare so maybe we should have a safety net government run option paid for by taxes, existing money to provide care for the poor and some costs based on ability to pay on the part of the patient based on the VA Hospital and Clinic model. Right now the fact is in your an adult earning around or under the Federal Poverty line your not getting health care of you have medical issues until you end up in the ER or Hospital. A friend couldn't get dental care and had the tooth removed only when he was laid up in the hospital with a jaw infection and they had to remove it since the cost to get it extracted was to much and once he ended up in the Hospital they had to treat him and with his income couldn't bill and expect payment. So someone is going to pay the $60,000 bill for his care. [Not in my area.]

    If they had a government dental clinic where he was it could have been taken care of and he would not have ended up in the Hospital.
     
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    Rubio Enrolls In Obamacare, Takes Federal Subsidy



    Rubio enrolls in Obamacare, takes federal subsidy

    Alex Leary - Tampa Bay Times
    Tuesday, December 10, 2013 6:59pm



    One of Obamacare's biggest critics is now officially covered under the federal health care exchange: Sen. Marco Rubio.

    "Senator Rubio spent time looking at all the options and decided to enroll through the D.C. exchange for coverage for him and his family," spokeswoman Brooke Sammon told the Tampa Bay Times.

    Rubio, a father of four, also took the federal subsidy afforded to lawmakers and staff — a perk worth up to 75 percent of monthly premium costs — that some Republicans wanted to kill off. Even some lawmakers who have enrolled in the exchange have rejected the taxpayer-funded employer contribution.

    Sammon did not say what led Rubio to decide the health care plan was better than what he could have gotten on his own, and Rubio could not be reached Tuesday. But those who wanted to keep their employer coverage — and that generous subsidy — were directed to use the exchange, called DC Health Link.

    In addition to the subsidy, Rubio and other federal employees got to pick from far more plans than ordinary people and had access to special customer service to ease their sign ups.

    "Senator Rubio is following the law, even though he opposes it," Sammon said.

    That Rubio even had to switch from the existing federal plan to the exchange is thanks to Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley of Iowa, who amended the Affordable Care Act to require members of Congress and staff join the exchange. It was viewed as a way to needle Democrats, but Democrats accepted the change.




    http://www.tampabay.com/news/politi...ls-in-obamacare-takes-federal-subsidy/2156529




    Right wing hypocrisy at its worse!!!!
     
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    Stunning new report undermines central GOP Obamacare claim


    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...eport-undermines-central-gop-obamacare-claim/


    Now, a new report from the minority staff of the House Committee on Energy and Commerce has destroyed the foundation of that particular GOP claim. It projects that only 10,000 people will lose coverage because of the ACA and be unable to regain it — or in other words, 0.2 percent of the oft-cited 5 million cancellations statistic.


    Bad news for Republican.


    Another victory for the patriots who seek to improve upon and save American lives. :flagus: :flagus: :flagus:





    Thank you Mr Obama.
     

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