Should the West intervene again in Afghanistan?

We should have left a decade ago. Biden was right all along. He was never really a fan of this war and opposed Obama's effort to make this work. Its the quagmire we knew in our heart it would be.

 

We replace Biden and put kamala in charge. As much as I hater her, this blunder can spread as a sign of our military leadership incompetence. We have to stop the bleeding but any response under Biden would just be a disaster and prove that this wasn't a fluke.

There is no going back and having another war. We just need to reinforce what is left.

 

Why do I get the feeling after Biden is done there won't be anything left?

 

Self-fulfilling prophecy?

Are we going to examine the huge blunders of allowing all those weapons to fall into Taliban hands, as the US refused to do anything while the Taliban was taking over again?

It really wouldn't have taken much to stop them. The Taliban had been backed into a corner and were in a very weak position. Now they're grabbing power and making gains.

 

As long as there was any ultra conservative muslim Pakistani or any middle east interest in a Taliban remaining to destabilize, that weak position was not all that weak. Those borders are incredibly porous and those mountains, caverns and caves make it impossible to stop a guerrilla army of devoted zealots from blending and hiding and regrouping.

 

This is my post you responded to. Can you point out exactly where I said this is acceptable because I don't see it?

 

Can you explain to me how being angry helps the situation? There is not ONE person in this forum (that I have seen) who is NOT upset about this. However, getting hysterical does not help.

 

You are allowing your anger to override your comprehension. I NEVER said do nothing.

 

So carpet bomb civilians in order to kill a few Taliban?
Ps, the Taliban were not responsible for 9/11.

 

So you think Trump was wrong to initiate the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan?

 

The Russians couldn’t beat them and the US couldn’t.
Guerilla warfare is not to be beaten by conventional warfare.
Didn’t we learn from Vietnam?

 

Firstly Afghanistan has never been truly a 'nation' in the traditional meaning of the word. Just look at it's history. Secondly it's a highly chauvinistic, male dominated, tribal culture. Members of the regular Afghan army could safely 'surrender' to the Taliban because there would always be member of the same tribe fighting on different sides of the conflict.

So the only way to maintain a unified modern State would be to maintain a western military presence in the country for a couple of generations until the revanchist tribal members of the Taliban were won over to a civil, unified state by time and prosperity.

 

Yes! Find one post where I said trump was in the right. Don’t throw politics at me on this I don’t follow blindly.

 

Why did we attack Afghanistan? Of coarse I know it wasn’t the Taliban in that caused 9-11 but they housed al qaeda. They gave them their home. They refused to give up bin laden. They allowed that to happen. They may as well be the same group.

 

Was Bin Laden found in Afghanistan? No? Al-righty then.

 

He was there!

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-49192495

“Bin Laden was in Afghanistan, under the protection of the Taliban, the Islamists who had been in power since 1996.

When they refused to hand him over, the US intervened militarily, quickly removing the Taliban and vowing to support democracy and eliminate the terrorist threat.”


Man you guys have forgotten

 

There's no proof he was there.
Was he found in Afghanistan? Yes or no.

 

They never denied he was there. They refused to hand him over. You don’t know the history of the taliban and al quada do you? They were pretty much birthed from one another.

 

He was never found there and you know it.

 

Peace might be the worst thing for Talibans : they got so much power because of a lot of factors : ignorance that is a easy ground for cheap religious fundamentalism, but also wide corruption. Apparently a lot of afghans wanted stability, something that, because of wide corruption, the afghan government wasn't able to provied.

War in afghanistan let also deep wounds on american people. People who engage in army aren't "nobody", they're often people willing to serve their country, and physically and mentally fit for that. USA birth rate is shrinking, and a wide part of this youth seems to suffer or some heavy existential troubles.
Is it wise then for a country which lack of youth, especially stable one, to waste it ?

They don't even to do that, the taliban leaders have always friendly relationship with the chinese (ironic when we consider how muslims are slaughtered there), and Russia. They have already met russian embassadors as far as I know.
Furthermore, Russia also suffer from low birth rate and evey emigration, they can't afford anymore to send that much soldiers.

 

“Hu Xijin 胡锡进
@HuXijin_GT
China state-affiliated media
After the fall of the Kabul regime, the Taiwan authorities must be trembling. Don’t look forward to the US to protect them. Taipei officials need to quietly mail-order a Five-Star Red Flag from the Chinese mainland. It will be useful one day when they surrender to the PLA.
1:11 AM · Aug 17, 2021”
From ABC new this morning.

 

While we should stay out of that s...t hole and I'm actually glad that we're pulling out (although obviously it could have been handled better than it was), I voted "maybe" because in case that there is another 9-11-style attack on us and it comes from there, we obviously will need to go in again.

 

One bit of interesting commentary I heard today. While the brutality of the Taliban is beyond doubt, they were able to resist in large part by winning hearts and minds. This forced them to moderate. At the same time, the people of Afghanistan have had 20 years to taste freedom and to be educated. This is an entire generation later and they grew up with Western values in mind.

This is not the same place it was 20 years ago. We may be surprised.

 

I have wondered. They claim that there’ll be no retribution and that women will be able to study. Perhaps they’ve evolved out of the Dark Ages.

 

I'm thinking the Taliban 20 years later will be nowhere near as bad as ISIS. They never were that bad 20 years ago.
Now they're more moderate and younger and less fundamentalist.
I had hope for the day after reading what their leader decreed.
Biden is an A-1 loser of a leader, though.