Should we abolish ALL forms of government welfare, and let the poor wither and die?

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Should we abolish all forms of government welfare.

  1. Yes- Every single form of government assistance to the poor should be abolished.

    12 vote(s)
    34.3%
  2. No - Government assistance is the only means to ensure the well being of the poor

    23 vote(s)
    65.7%
  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not working in Mexico, now is it?
     
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    Collateral Damage Well-Known Member

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    This isn't Mexico, now is it?
     
  3. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But it will be soon.
     
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    Collateral Damage Well-Known Member

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    No, I really don't think it will be 'Mexico'. It will still be the USoA, just with an additional source of really good food recipes.
     
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    False dichotomy. Actually two of them. First there's the false dichotomy of abolishing all welfare, as if keeping all welfare and eliminating all welfare are the only two options, then there's the false dichotomy of eliminating welfare and letting the poor wither and die, as if that's the inevitable result of eliminating welfare. I would remind you that before 1920, there was no federal welfare in this country, and the poor did not wither and die. Funny that. Before 1920, state and local governments and private charities provided for the poor, the sick, and the disabled. During the Great Depression, no one died of hunger, despite a 25% unemployment rate and very few government welfare programs. Why? Because no one was willing to let the hungry starve to death. And America was extremely poor then compared to now. But you on the left still believe that people would literally starve to death or die of untreated illnesses if we eliminated federal welfare programs. It is to laugh.
     
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    False premise
    Abolishing the welfare state in toto in no way necessitates the "death of the poor".
     
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  7. FreshAir

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    what if they can't? not all disabled people were born rich or can work

    lot of disabled people would lose their jobs if the government did not pay part of their salary to their employees
     
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    WorkFare
    Not
    Welfare!
     
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    BuckyBadger Well-Known Member

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    Obama kept African Americans on food stamps and that didn't really help, it just hurt the population and the economy. Trump gave them jobs and a source of income which makes our country stronger and much better.

    This poll is stupid, if anyone wants my opinion. If not, I was happy to show up armed with a quick fact.
     
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    yes the poor should wither and die because..... socialism
     
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    Of course it does. Which is why no country does that
     
  12. Collateral Damage

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    Do you really think a subsidy is the ONLY reason employers hire disabled people? I really hope that's not what you meant, because it's far from the truth of the matter.
     
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    did I say that, no I did not, many disabled people do just fine in fields like Development and such... but in those cases they are not really disabled in the field and can perform as good if not better then others in the field

    there are many disabled though that would not have jobs if the gov did not pitch in
     
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    And I disagree. While there are SOME employers that only hire them for the subsidies, they cannot terminate them based on the subsidies, or their disabilities.

    There are any number of companies that prefer to hire the disabled for particular positions, because they have a better understanding of what is involved for a person with a particular disability. The rest of us would do well to learn from them.

    If all subsidies from the tax payers would be terminated, some would flounder, but most would continue on.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I wager the Government gives them terrible treatment. For instance. Unlike what churches do, or private groups, government makes them fill out a lot of papers and endure having to prove their need just to get it.
     
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    I want to add this new idea.

    Have the Democrats all use the disabled and the low intellect lawyers and so forth to work for them. Keep only those unable to speak English on the payroll of Democrats. They will then prove they truly are generous with their money rather than taking my money to deal with their problems.
     
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    What role have you personally played in hiring such people? I hired one and he never did make a decent appraiser. I had to argue all the time with him to teach him how to appraise. I had high standards and he thought my standards were BS. But we were tasked with accurately appraising the homes of a lot of people. I demanded quality work. I was to report back in mailed to them reports on how he was doing. It turns out the funds came from the Government but they hired some kind of group to do it for the Feds.
     
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    so the right doesn't like the disabled?

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  19. Robert

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    One would be shocked at how well they do when the net is taken away.

    I object to how the kids graduate high school and get no proper training to set goals and make plans. They have specific courses on sex, how about courses on planning and goals and how well they work for those using them?
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Democrats cured all of the problems for the disabled. Don't you recall this in their many past campaign promises?
     
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    Republicans want to take away Social Security from the Disabled... Sad!
     
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    According to the liberals the human race should not exist right now because for the majority of our history on this planet there were no safety nets.

    My, oh my, how did humans make it without the government giving them stuff?
     
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    Sometimes people just say stuff what whacks you upside your head. Thanks for doing that.
     
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    Why do you think that it has to all or nothing? Do you really think that the government is the all and everything in everyone's life? Just maybe if the Government didn't do it, the charitable aspects of the country will take it over more efficiently. Like I told my daughter when is was complaining about the go and she asked why I did not want to help the less fortunate. I told here that is not the case, I would rather choose who is deserving of my money.
     
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    Thats because they are a party of no ideas other than MINE!!! MINE!!!! MINE!!!! NO BROWN PEOPLE!!!! MINE!!! MINE!!!!
     

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