Should we ditch the Australian 'secret ballot'.

So voters are special snowflakes who are entitled not to have their motives examined when they impact governance, when those same motives are examined in what they say and do in their work life, their church life, their social life and even their own families and friendships. We all live in a world where our motives are examined and many clearly want this whistleblower's motives to sit under a microscope for impacting on our federal government, while their own motives to vote for or against Trump were not. If lack of transparency is a cancer, then our individual votes in this last federal election are a metastasis of much larger proportion. Voting is the most fundamental building block of our government, yet is remains in shadow.

 

He's already explained it by alluding to "if people are too scared..."

Well. Why would they be too scared?

It's because he knows their violent Brown Shirts will go around attacking people like the ****ing Nazi's they are.

 

The only metastasis we have in this country is the violent left who desperately wants to take away our rights, in order for us to think, speak, act, and vote how we're "supposed" to.

Your post is a glowing example.

Go pound sand.

 

It sounds like you're making the argument that since privacy is so difficult in the information age, we should just get rid of it completely.

I would go the opposite direction: privacy should be more protected than it is, not done away with entirely.

 

Unless it's the right to privacy for an abortion. That's "rightthink".

 

You are a lot better at asking questions than answering them. My 'plan' is no different than many states provided as their method of recording votes when this republic was formed and the reasons are no different. Every ballot that gets recorded is attached to a name for posterity with a hard copy kept by the county and any and all voters can check it. Cowards get to decide if they want to stand forward to be counted, or hide away and not be counted. Simple choice. When people vote, we will all know how self interest is represented, just as we do when a legislator votes, or a judge writes and opinion, or a whistleblower files paperwork. What we do about what we know is contained and controlled by a series of statutes, just as what we do about learning of a marriage license, or a lawsuit filed. Think about a statement you may make in front of your city council. They ask for your name before you testify, and with that name comes the key to where you live and where you work.

Why reward cowards, and people who's motives must remain hidden with influence?

 

Should the whistleblowers privacy and motives be protected, or should they be up for public scrutiny?

 

Why would it require bravery to cast a vote?

Why would people be afraid?

There's a reason for all your examples.

There is no reason you need to know how someone votes, unless it's to retaliate against them.

You've already admitted it.

Your posts are ridiculously transparent.

 

Now he thinks illegally leaking the POTUS phone call is the same thing as voting.

 

You are not very good that this. Does this whistleblower have a right to remain private and not have his reasons for filing a complaint examined for ulterior motive, when your reasons for voting for Trump stay hidden in secret and you never get your motives challenged?

 

You have no evidence he leaked anything. He filed an anonymous report consistent with a law that provided a system for him to do so. You don't like the system, take it up with the legislators who voted for it. Their votes are public. Their votes are constantly scrutinized for evidence of bribery and influence peddling. Your votes and motives are hidden in darkness, secrecy.

 

I'm great at this.

I've completely gotten to the heart of your desire to identify where the people you disagree with live and work. We all know why you'd like this.

Eric Ciaramella is not a whistleblower. Eric Ciaramella had no authority to leak the POTUS activities. It is not covered by the whistleblower statute.

I could explain why his activities and his accusations are not afforded privacy, but you wouldn't care anyway.

 

Wrong.

Intelligence employees can only whistleblow on intelligence activities. They cannot leak the POTUS foreign policy calls.

Ask all the widely publicized whistleblowers Obama prosecuted.

 

Depends on whether he/she's making an accusation of wrongdoing against someone. If he/she is, that someone has a right to face their accuser, as a foundational tennet of the concept of 'innocent until proven guilty' that our entire civilization is founded upon. Libel and slander must have repercussions, because if there aren't any, libel and slander will become the norm, at first leading to mass persecution of the innocent, and later leading to a total lack of belief of all accusers, as it will all be assumed to be libel and slander.

Personally, if the whistleblower wishes to remain anonymous, I'm OK with that, but I will not consider anything they have to say as noteworthy, nor will I consider any action taken based on their claims as legitimate, unless they're willing to 'put their name on it.'

If he/she's not making any accusations against anyone, I see no reason that they be identified.

 

Stop asking questions you refuse to answer. Why should you be entitled to vote in private, when your vote impacts who governs me? If you want the right to put Trump into office over me, then you should expect to have your motives and intentions as scrutinized as any other phase of government action.

Stopping hiding behind your poll station curtain and man up.

 

Not true . You are doing nothing but guessing. Now why are you so anxious to hide the truth about why you vote for who you vote for?

 

That's an easy answer. It's because I have the right to vote for whoever I want, and you have no reason to know who that is.

Let's say you know who votes for Trump. Then what? What are you going to do with that knowledge?

We know what you'd like to do with it.

 

No, it's not a guess.

Your OP is as transparent as a Pella window.

 

Lol what utter bullshit!! there is no foundation in our society of innocence until guilt is proved, because we can't run a society or our lives with that standard. Stop conflating a courtroom standard for the practice of law, with something much broader. But I like the general direction of your conclusion. We should never allow any vote to be cast with a chance of impact, without knowing who cast it anymore than we do a legislators.

 

Maybe someday you'll get your Nazi utopia.

 

Nothing about a public ballot process impedes on you voting for whatever you want. We have the same reasons to want to know how you vote as we do our legislators. Do your lawmakers get to cast their votes in secret, in your city council, your state legislature or your Congress? Just as the laws protect your legislators from the criminal conduct of others, so the same laws will protect you. As long as your vote impacts who governs me, it should be provided the same confidentiality as a legislators votes which likewise impact who governs me.

 

Nothing about a private ballot impedes anything either.

You have no right, and you never will, to know how private citizens vote.

I already explained why lawmakers votes aren't secret, and honestly the answer is obvious.

I guess you'll just have to keep wishing.

 

Did you not notice above that Hitler gained a lot of his power based on the privacy of the votes cast for elections from 1929 forward.

 

It obvious that you want a double standard applied. One to legislators and another for you. . As long as your vote impacts who governs me or how I get governed , it should be no more secret than any other vote that impacts who governs me, or how I get governed. If transparency in government is a good thing, then let its light hit your face when you cast your ballot.

The privacy of your ballot impedes any examination of motive and process in what you do with your ballot and why. That is how lack of transparency in government works to shield people from any accountability.

 

Yes I noticed your attempt at misdirection.