Should We End Columbus Day?

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  1. upside-down cake

    upside-down cake Well-Known Member

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    Given Mr. Columbus's questionable character and considerable actions in the New World, do you think he should continue to be an American hero or prominent icon?

    There are so many more deserving individuals. What about the woman who made our American flag? Technically, Columbus's discovery and America as a nation are quite distant events, time-wise. And he did this all for Spain.

    There's literally one micron worth of relevance in Columbus to our country.
     
  2. zimo

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    October needs a half-holiday. That's the most important factor with Columbus Day.
     
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    mutmekep New Member

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    I don't know about you but we Europeans must start celebrating it .
     
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    JamesVanArtevelde New Member

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    Of course Columbus is relevant to the US.
     
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    Granny bought possum a lil' chief's bonnet fer Columbus Day...
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    More Cities Recognizing Native Americans On Columbus Day
    October 12, 2015 - More cities are recognizing Native Americans on Columbus Day this year as they revive a movement to change the name of the holiday to celebrate the history and contributions of indigenous cultures around the country.
     
  6. Mr_Truth

    Mr_Truth Well-Known Member

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    call it World Heritage Day and the issues will all be settled
     
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    QLB Well-Known Member

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    Please. Columbus navigated a trans-Atlantic voyage with a single carrack and two caravels returned and was able to do three more times in one of the most incredible feats of navigation and exploration the world has ever seen. To judge him according to modern standards is simply insane and is another example that liberalism is a mental disorder.
     
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    Alucard New Member Past Donor

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    In my opinion, YES. Christopher Columbus gave orders for his henchmen to massacre the Indian population of Haiti. He also ordered his henchmen to commit terrible atrocities to the Indians.
     
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    on the contrary, Columbus's genocide of Native Americans is a type of proto-nazism that spurred other acts of conquest and atrocities ~ to defend that is mental sickness

    unlike you, however, I will not attempt to say that conservatives are defending genocide
     
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    Hardly, they were men of their times. It is simply impossible to judge them by modern standards. The standards of today will also change with time. Marcus Aurelius, one of the best, most noble and highly educated Roman Emperor's lived in a time where conquest, slavery and gladiatorial games would have been considered quite normal and would have represented a world wide standard. It's foolish to think otherwise. There were no liberals in those times. They didn't have the capability of survival. Fortunately liberalism is likely to be massive fart in the progression of humanity, soon to be corrected.
     
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    Mr_Truth Well-Known Member

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    Obviously you love to engage in ad hominem attacks on liberals. But in doing so you are casting a very poor and pathetic reflection on conservatives and proving again how devoid of logic and common sense the right wing ideology is all about.

    To say 'conquest, slavery and gladiatorial games would have been considered quite normal' show me any historical reference which confirms that idea from the viewpoint of the victims in those wars.

    As an example, does the Bible (a book referred to so often by conservatives) teach us that the ancient Israelites were grateful for being conquered and enslaved? Did they not engage in numerous wars of "rebellion" against their conquerors? Did they not kill their enemies? Of course they did.
     
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    Deckel Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes we should end Columbus Day. It is ridiculous that banks are closed when everybody else has to work.
     
  13. upside-down cake

    upside-down cake Well-Known Member

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    The myth of modern standards...

    Because, somehow, people back then didn't think killing and nslaving other people was a bad thing. Probably one of the worst justifications ever.

    Besides...the Polynesians crossed the Pacific, and they didn't have carrack's. Likely, they had more sense about where they were going, though...
     
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    Myth of modern standards? What kind of liberal BS is that? Somehow you equate a transatlantic voyage into the unknown vs island hopping over centuries. Laughable.
     
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    upside-down cake Well-Known Member

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    It wasn't island hoping considering the span from the Asian islands to the mid-Pacific. And it was done by a culture considerably less advanced than Columbus.

    The myth of modern standards addresses dumb things like when people say "X culture can't be morally judged for killing and looting others because they lived in another time period where they didn't know any better". The Bible is one of the oldest books in existence, and morals are represented clearly in it as well as in other myths, stories, and legends from other places. It's not that hard. If you don't like being killed and having your things taken from you, you can recognize the wrong in doing it to someone else.
     

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