Should whites feel guilty for being white?

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  1. johnmayo

    johnmayo New Member Past Donor

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    Here is another link to modern day slave markets:

    http://www.mwakilishi.com/content/a...-ordeal-of-kenyans-in-arab-slave-markets.html


    Once again, it is not White Europeans who are selling captured black people as slaves.


    Yes, the conditions of the African American sold into slavery for work on Southern U.S. Plantations were deplorable.

    But if you want to attach blame based on skin color, you are sadly mistake.

    Then, and even now, those sold into slavery, were gathered and sold to the Slave Ships bound for the U.S. by other Black Tribes.

    It is silly to try to attach blame/guilt based on skin color among White Americans today, the American person who is actually possible to have been a slaver is not going to be White, but a Black Immigrant, from those countries where slavery is still regretfully common.

    Every White American I've ever met or forum blogged with stands firmly against the slave trade, then and now.

    Modern White Americans have no reason to feel any kind of Guilt for Slavery, they fought a blood war to stop it. They still fight wars against it now!

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    darckriver New Member Past Donor

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    I know a good pool of candidates. :wink:
     
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    Yeah, I've replied to you 3 or so times to you now, telling you that it is NOT about guilt, and yet, you keep regurgitating this strawman argument about guilt. We're done. :gun::hmm:
     
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    Wait, AA STOLE white privilege? You're saying that it's something that whites should have? Hah.


    AA stole nothing. You're more likely to be picked up for a cab, hired for a job with the same experience/education, given a loan (financial status being equal), rented an apartment; you're less likely to be pulled over by the police, randomly stopped and frisked while walking down the sidewalk; you don't come from a culture that was crushed by slavery and recent racial oppression. You don't have a clue.


    lol, hahaha, yeah, right. That's funny. Poor White Christians - especially male white Christians. You have it so incredibly difficult. :roll:
     
  6. johnmayo

    johnmayo New Member Past Donor

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    Just because you say it is so doesnt make it so unfortunately. Come back when you can explain the actual process in a way not designed to make whites feel guilty about their position, and how it doesn't reinforce racism in black teens.
     
  7. Kurmugeon

    Kurmugeon Well-Known Member

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    The more the Lefties try to manipulate Low Income white Americans into feeling racial guilt, the more annoyed and hard-hearted we become.

    I didn't always feel this way, but today, some Black person tries to pull the Racial Guilt Trip crap on me, and it get pissed and resolved to give them NOTHING, not a fracken cent!

    The idea that Tiger Woods kids, and others who are both wealthy and Black, and yes there are LOTS of them,...

    The idea that Wealthy Blacks will get scholarships and grants while my grandkids get stuck with low-education scut-work jobs, because of AA makes me madder than...

    *******n Affirmative Action and anyone who supports it can die-in-a-fire and Rot in Hell!

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  8. Johnny-C

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    I lived in a time where lawyers couldn't even 'advertise' on TV. But that was over 40 years ago... like it or not, the "media" is a part of our culture. And certainly ALL sides make use of the same; from newspapers, radio/TV to the internet. So, don't lecture me or anyone else about the "media". Get over it, it's a part of American culture.

    Personally, I'm only interested in the Martin/Zimmerman case... as it was a catalyst for a larger discussion that is ongoing (thank God).

    You aren't even close to actually being able to prove that. That's nonsense.

    Live YOUR life with your blindfold ON and plugs of WAX IN YOUR EARS. I've been around the world serving this nation... eventually I had to come home; and I know what I'm seeing here.

    Posting on this forum will NEVER likely be the most 'productive' thing any of us will do. So, it is what it will be.

    The issues surrounding the case are vastly greater than the case itself; the event which took Trayvon Martin's life, serves as a 'marker' for this society (in my view).

    So be it.
     
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    Never have and never will...
     
  10. Johnny-C

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    Yes. You mentioned things that many don't like to hear discussion about. The Martin/Zimmerman case has provided a stage for that very kind of discussion... and I'm happy that it did.
     
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    I personally hate that the really extreme liberals want to destroy culture and tradition, wether nationalistic or religious, and create generic people without pride or group identities.

    I don't mind people having "opportunites", but if I can I will fight any situation where I see that I am missing said opportunities so that said so-called oppressed/protected class gets what should be mine based on merit.
     
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    Agree with most of your post, but the part about extreme liberals trying to destroy cultures and traditions is true about everything but the perpetuation of keeping alive the black/white/hispanic racial tensions to push their political agendas. The 24/7 steady diet of Zimmerman/Martin was for no other reason than to push liberal causes like gun control and the false narrative that conservatives are all racist. Its disgusting.

    What is so astounding about all this time and angst being wasted on this racial stuff in 2013 is that the races are now extremely mixed at this point of history in the United States. Differences based on race don't make sense any more.

    Case in point is that Obama is half white yet he speaks and pushes the so called black narrative. Zimmerman is 1/8 black, 1/4 Hispanic and 1/2 white but yet gets pegged as white and persecuted as such. How stupid do the American people need to be to fall for this stuff.
     
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    Really? What are extreme conservatives doing? I despise EXTREMISM... period; it's oppressive, power hungry and egotistical.

    We have to keep on working things out on the larger and smaller scale. If you are wronged, I would expect you to fight the injustice. But no, I don't go for the idea that it must be 'perfection' or 'nothing'; that's impractical.
     
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    I'm all for people having an opportunity, but not with "make up calls", like lets hire LESS QUALIFIED minorities and women so we can make up for white men getting favoritism in the past, thus screwing up lives of INNOCENT white men who had NOTHING to do with the previous injustices.
     
  16. Johnny-C

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    There has to be some form of compromise in there somewhere. I mean, it should be apparent to any fair-minded person that African Americans aren't struggling as much as they do for nothing. There IS something about American culture and other aspects of its structure which have led to the circumstances many of us are aware of.

    There are a lot of innocent people on all sides; and while fair never equals to being "perfect"... fair is still worth the effort; good things come of that.
     
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    This link which I had in one of my earlier posts says that everyone of all races had slaves......including other slaves. http://histclo.com/act/work/slave/am/sa-bra.html

    "The Portuguese action, however, did not address slavery in the colonies. Slaver ownership was widely practiced. Brazilians of all classes owned slaves. Slaves were not only owned by upper and middle class Brazilians, but also by lower class Brazilians. There were even slaves who owned other slaves."

    Here is another link that says many former Africans and mulattos owned slaves. http://www.historytoday.com/john-geipel/brazils-african-legacy

    "In contrast to the prominent role of Afro-Brazilians in the emancipation movement, mulattos were conspicuously under-represented. Indeed, many Creoles (Brazilian-born blacks) and mulattos were themselves slaveowners who stood to lose a great deal from abolition"

    It wasn't just evil whitey.
     
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    Couldn't come up with one single name of a business that doesn't enrich people's lives? (That doesn't make their money via government protection or spending). Not a single one huh? Well then, I would rethink my position on how evil they are and you have to limit them, and start rethinking this whole populism thing. No problem, I will drop it, but you should be able to admit that to yourself.
     
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    I have only 80 posts a day I am allowed, so I can only make 60 or so completely useless. That is what I meant before. But anyway, yeah case in media and all that. They built it up to be something it wasn't, and there is no state in the union that has a self defense more restrictive then the one the case was built on. In other states if they could prove zimmerman started the fight, (no evidence there),then that would be different, some states have no retreat laws, (no one argued he could retreat), so no problem there. It would only matter if you think that the jury would be different. As a Floridian, I take offense to that, we are of course some of the best people in all the union. Saved the world from Al Gore and everything.
     
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    Your perspective is faulty. Maybe I cannot prove that to you here (that is, convince you)... but I said it for the record.

    Even so, I welcome the spotlight placed upon the issue of ethnic relations (with emphasis placed upon African Americans). The discussion was truncated before, not completed.
     
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    Should blacks feel guilty for the way they are treated?
     
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    The reaction that Mrs. Obama received back in 2008, when she communicated the thought that not all she saw in America had made her proud, showed me the disconnect between how MANY African Americans (including myself) and White Americans viewed this society.

    I understood what Mrs. Obama meant... and I can assure anyone that I appreciate this nation's core values. But surely, any African American aware of this nation's history and related problems can/should be tentative about certain things. Mrs. Obama was neither delusional nor anti-American (as many tried to paint her).

    When Trayvon Martin was shot dead, some people likely thought, "Another Black got shot.", and others probably said, "Dear Lord, not again!!". It would be revealing to know why either thought was expressed (not necessarily who actually expressed it).
     
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    Should blacks take some responsibility for the way whites and other view the black communities especially black males? The black in black crime, the glorified thug life, gangster mentality. Hell just look what the thug life can get you. Be best friends with the prez. Special trips to Cuba. Millions of dollars. And a hot wife.
    Just a thought. If the white community would see more people like what's happening with TM case speak out about crime in general how they are viewed may change. But instead it's glorified in the music, TV , and more.
     
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    This particular conversation was not a great one. White people are thinking "why are we in trouble for some Mexican guy shooting some kid that was beating him up?" This is the majority feeling. I realize zimmerman is not Mexican, but this is the majority feeling from what I understand. If you thought white people were worried groups of young black teens may attack them, (racial profiling),the aftermath of this case has not reduced that. I would think fears of revenge actually increased it if anything. Just my 2 cents, for me this was a low point for race relations in my lifetime.
     

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