Should Women and Men be Given the Same Sentences for the Same Crimes

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  1. ryobi

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    Should Women and Men be given the same sentences for the same crimes???

    For example, lets say a 40 year old male teacher has sex with his 15 year old female student and a 40 year old female teacher has sex with her 15 year old male student.

    Should both teachers get the same sentence???
     
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    Only if the only difference in the crimes were the genders involved. Are you factoring in that even two different males don't receive the same sentence for the same crime due to the difference in details of the two crimes?
     
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    * all other things being equal
     
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    Yes. Fully, the same race shouldn't be a factor.
     
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    Actual case, a 12 year old male rapes a 21 year old female.
    What should be done ?
     
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    Link? We need more information that that.
     
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    Absolutely. There should never be any form of legal double standards.
     
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    No link, I investigated the case in my younger years, and after much investigation and cross interviews, the final recommendation was not to proscecute, first, a grave oversight and mistake of a deposition and full confession of a minor aided by the fact he appeared over 17 not 12 when interviewed, and he was stunningly handsome, having modeling experience, further, the woman in question admitted not resisting much after he punched her lightly in the stomach.

    She had admitted to inviting him over to her absent parents home and preparing him food etc...

    The youth had a bright future as well as a Prep School Ivy league background and wealthy parents that were in line Politically and heavy contributors to the Political machine.

    The Powers that be decided not to proscecute, and the result was a severe warning that any other offenses would result in severe prosecution as an adult and serious prison time, scared of that, he was never again in trouble.

    He did strike me as a bit of a psychopath, by a statement he made, I was truly shocked.......
     
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    Speaking as someone who had sex with a woman in her 30s when I was 16, the women should get an award. :D
     
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    What about you having sex with a man at 16and he was 30.
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Good question. If women fondling my package to "put me in the mood" when I didn't really want to do the job would be considered rape (as when a man "cops a feel") then several women would be behind bars.

    women jail.jpg
     
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    Such would be sexual assault. Rape only occurs if there is penetration of any orifice. And yes that includes the attacker's orifice with the victim's penis. As to whether or not they would be in jail, it depends on whether or not one bothers reporting or perusing the crime.
     
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    This is not true here in Sweden.
    This is a fluid notion in Sweden. In theory, I think you are correct but in practice, it boils down to whatever a woman "upplever" (feels). In the States I know from watching enough "Cops" on TV, that if a woman "feels" threatened the man is off to jail even if all he did was look in her direction. In Sweden, this rule also applies to sexual assault and rape.
     
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    I think I would need to see the law in Sweden, but most places I am aware of separate rape from sexual assault by the act of penetration. And not necessarily with a body part. A woman raped by her assailant with a beer bottle was an actual case several years ago, and he was tried on that crime. But both are crimes, just separate one. Coping a feel would be assault not rape.

    As to Cops, you need to watch closer. Unless there is some kind of evidence that the man is a possible threat to the woman, the most the police can do is have them separate from each other.
     
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    Sweden isn't one of those 'places you are aware of'.
    Sweden bends the definition of "rape". In fact, the Swedish word for 'rape' is våldtäkt which literally means with violence yet you can be imprisoned for våldtäkt merely for coaxing/begging your wife to have sex with you .... and her eventually consenting.
    Sorry, but that is not always true. Actually, I personally have not seen a single episode where the man was not arrested once the women said she "felt" threatened.
     
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    Again, I would have to see how the law was written to see if this is the actual case, or how you are viewing it.

    Somehow I don't think you are taking into context the reason the cops are out there in the first place. There are very few times, if any, when police will be called because the guy looked at her in a way that made her uncomfortable. And while I can't say I have seen every episode, the vast majority of the time the police are there because there has been an indication of violence. Even then there are many times they just separate the two not arrest one or the other. I have also seen plenty of episodes where the woman was arrested instead, as she was the one showing violence despite her claims of the man being violent.
     
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    What about men who fondle your package?
     
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    In Sweden, homosexuality is the only form of flirt (in public) that is accepted. If some man were to fondle my package the community would think it's "cute" and the court would smile approvingly, assume he and I were lovers who'd had a spat, and send me on my way, suggesting that I 'make up' with my boyfriend.
     
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    I was assuming you were straight. How would you feel if a gay man who was not your boyfriend grabbed your package? I would imagine similar to women whose ***** grabbed
     
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    Put him on ice doing hard time for a long time -- to make a statement that sex abuse will not be tolerated.
     
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    I am straight, and any man who grabs my package is going to be choking on his walnuts when I kick them through his oesophagus. The point I was making (which went way over your head) is that a homosexual can do no wrong in Sweden. He can grab my package and get away .... by the courts. He'll have to face my judgement and punishment but then it will be me who goes to prison, not him.

    It is similar to the US where a man will go to jail just because a woman "feels" threatened. You don't have to hit her, push her, slander her, or insult her. It's her word and that's what counts. I saw this one Cops episode where she mauled him with a lamp. His face was cut so he called the police. When the police arrived she even admitted that he never laid a finger on her. So the cops asked her, "But did you feel like maybe he would hit you?" She replied. "Yes". He went to jail.
     
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    I don’t believe that a man can assault you without any penalty.
    Something that I want you to think about. When you think about a man grabbing your package you seem to get really angry that you’re going to beat him up and kicking etc. Well that’s how women feel when a man grabs their private parts but we don’t have the ability to beat him up usually.
     
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    Make it work out the same as we do with pay?
     
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    Ah! So it's like when a cop shoots an unarmed citizen in the streets, interesting.
     
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    Yes.

    I'd guess that anyone who does not support the death penalty, would also not support equal sentencing.

    There should be more outcomes like the with the famous traitors, the Rosenbergs. Both spies equally working with the Soviets were killed the same way.
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