Should Women Who NEVER Want Children Remain Abstinent Forever?

Are you deliberately being dense or are you just trolling?

Of course, comparing cosmetic scarring with life-threatening health problems is incredible, but that's what you're doing! (Yes, pelvic floor disorder CAN be life-threatening...for that matter, complications from a C-section resulted in my mother not fully recovering for almost a year.)

 

but she DID recover.

my point is that one of the FIRST things Granny put up there was stretch marks, and the little snip they give to keep your vagina from tearing during birth..she didn't focus on life threatening side effects, those were only thrown in as diversions....and they are not common, they are not certain and they are not the natural outcome of pregnancy.

it is ludicrous and doesn't further the conversation for silly things to be continually brought up and I am not going to let her comments about how pregnancy is sooooo devastating and damaging to women stand unchallenged. Mothers are NOT damaged goods. Do you consider your mother to be less of a woman because she gave birth? do you view her with the contempt that Granny shows? Do you feel that she is less worthy as a human being because she might have a stretch mark?

then you should protest too, this concept that pregnancy irreversibly and fundementally destroys a woman's body.

 

from your OWN link, by the way:

and what is the treatment for this OOOOHHH so terrifying and devastating trauma??

eeee!! lose WEIGHT? never!! how draconian!!

lifestyle changes?! oh no, we can't have that at all...right? it's do whatever feels good!!

surgery? medication!? but that might be inconvenient!! life isn't supposed to ever be inconvenient!

but wait...I thought this was supposed to be permanent and life threatening? affecting quality of life forever...

 

who said anything about parapalegics?

 

well we all know how old YOU are..and if you aren't capable of understanding what co-misogynist means then an explantion wouldn't help either now would it?

I do trust and respect women enough to let them not only make their own choices but deal with the consequences of their actions.

ah....so now you are backing off your claim that childbirth and pregnancy causes permanent and debilitating damage to a woman's body that affects her quality of life forever...

thank you for conceding the point.

 

Ah, changing the spelling!! Still, google gives no results. BTW, I am old enough to have gained in wisdom from my observation of the world, but not yet old enough to have forgotten it.

No, you want to only allow women to deal with the consequences according to YOUR choice.

Pregnancy/childbirth causes permanent damage to a woman's body which can affect her quality of life forever...that's what I said before, I'll say it again, and I'm conceding nothing.

 

Really? Name one.

Educate yourself before posting stupidity.

Please do not delude yourself, no one gives a crap what you believe. Just stay put of other people's lives.

 

Well now you are just being dishonest. I have already shown you a well thought out and thorough analysis by an embryologist, but you just claimed she wasn't qulaified (as if you are more qualified? )

 

it's ok, Whaler, if a donkey gets loose in the street and kicks you, you can't get mad at it....it's behaving according to it's nature.

they know the rot at the core of their beliefs, they know they can't defend their beliefs on any logical or scientific or moral ground so all they can do is resort to insults, name calling, nitpicking and ludicrous mythical whatifs...

 

Your body, your choice.

Your body, your choice.

Your body, your choice

Your body, your choice.

But for any other woman, whether it's a cat scratch, or pelvic floor disorder or life threatening complication from pregnancy, it's HER body, and HER choice.

 

Am I? Why, because I do not accept the opinion of a woman who is motivated by her religion in all she does and dishonestly misrepresents the findings of other scientists?

It is not a mater of qualifications but intellectual integrity, something you know very little about. Please tell us that you really believe that she would have said something contrary to Church dogma.

 

Is that what happened to you?

Nothing is more rotten than forcing your moral on someone else. It is been the greatest cause of misery humanity has suffered in its entire history.

Yea, that must be the reason why in the civilized world where people enjoy self determination and where religious dogma is kept out of public policy, abortion IS legal.

 

This is an absurd question, though after seeing several of your posts I can't help but wonder if you're simply here to troll people.

There are a lot of men who'd prefer to never have children; it takes away from whatever long term goals a lot of men have.

Likewise, many men do want children. Coitus, however, is not simply about "let's make a baby". It is a pleasurable experience and one that is often used to reflect emotions.

 

........ are you being serious?

 

tell it to the people of Europe, 'forcing' our morals on Germany in the 1940s seems to have worked out well for them.

and I understand that you can't see that YOU are forcing YOUR morals on US by forcing us to pay for YOUR abortions or how you are forcing YOUR morals on your baby (killing someone is about as much force as is possible)...you can't see your own hypocracy.

 

Ah, so you are ignorant of history too.

Really? How so?

Anybody asked you for money for an abortion?

Its a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing fetus not a baby and it has no significance beyond that give to it by the woman carrying it and your religious dogma.

 

are you implying that you don't believe the Third Reich had another morality than the European and American allies?

by advocating to our children something we find abhorrent. Just like coming in and telling our kids stealing is good, or lying is acceptable..you want to teach that abortion is an acceptable and even preferable choice over having a baby.

oh good, then you DON'T believe that the government should pay for abortions with my tax money?

how nice...see what great manners and intellect abortion advocates have? I haven't once used a curse word to refer to anyone but you just spew hatred and anger directed at innocence....regardless of how you feel about abortion, you must be willing to admit that the fetus is not at fault...he/she has done NOTHING to you...YOU want to do something to him/her but he/she has done nothing beyond exist.

and since I have not talked about my 'religious dogma' I am assuming that is what they call a 'straw man' argument? or just diversion plain and simple?

 

Hitler opposed abortion and even contraception.

http://www.harvardsquarelibrary.org/speakout/steinem.html

Hitler's National Socialist Movement preached against and punished contraception, homosexuality, women whose main purpose was not motherhood, men who did not prove their manhood by fathering many children—and anything else that failed to serve the need of preserving and expanding the German state.

Does any of this sound familiar?
A return to a strong family life, women's primary identity as mothers, tax penalties for remaining single, loans for young married couples and subsidies for childbearing, prohibition of prostitution and homosexuality, contraception, and abortion: all these were issues that the Roman Catholic Church, the Catholic Center Party, and the Nazi Party could agree on. And once Hitler came to power, popularly elected in part by the patriarchal backlash against feminist successes, he delivered on his promise to restore male supremacy.

Abortion IS acceptable and sometimes preferable. Usually young women can figure that out for themselves by the time they are old enough to choose to have one.

What I believe SHOULD be done is immaterial, the government DOES NOT pay for abortions with "your" tax money or any tax money whatsoever. BTW, it's not "yours" after you pay them.

No one here has said anything about "wanting to do something to the fetus", what we are defending is the pregnant woman's right to make the choice regarding her own body. We do all get frustrated sometimes when anti-choicers ignore the woman altogether in their fetus worship.

 

yeah yeah, American Conservatives are JUUUUUSSSTTT like Hitler......and we want to shove people in ovens and make gloves out of human skin...yep, YOU figured us out...

America and Europe are just exactly like the Third Reich, we were just jealous of their efficiency...

this is about the most disgusting thing I have ever seen, comparing Hitler to the Allies as if they were one and the same...an entire generation thanks you for exposing their little secret...

I can only come to the conclusion, Granny, that you have no real arguments for abortion..

then we dont' need to teach it in school then do we?

it's MINE in that I am a citizen of this country. And the atrocity the Obama Dictatorship has forced thru DOES pay for abortions with MY money from MY government.

I get frustrated when "Prodeath" people can't argue their points without foul language and bizarre accusations.

 

and your characterization of the Nazi's abortion policy was spotty at best...of course they didn't approve of the master race aborting but actively promoted both the abortion AND sterilization of 'inferior' children..

in fact they were the first to make abortion legal:

http://www.lifeissues.net/writers/air/air_vol16no1_2001.html

so truthfully, YOUR side is way more Nazilike than mine...but thanks for playing..

 

I would say that would pretty conclusively show that we are on the slippery slide down to the level of the Germans in the 1930s...

 

What is repugnant about the Nazis is that they believed it was the government's proper role to control reproduction. That's exactly what you're lobbying for. Face it, if you give the government the power to forbid abortion, they also have the power to require it.

 

Correction - that is exactly what Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood wanted:

'Choice'... indeed.

 

Are you the woman in question? If so then HELL NO you should not be abstinent! PM me and I'll help you out (I hope that's not too forward)!

If the woman in question is fat and ugly then yes... yes she should be abstinent.

 

If only we had listened