Significant restrictions made in Aberdeen after Cluster

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  1. alexa

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    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18627779.number-aberdeen-covid-cluster-cases-rises-32/

    Pubs are now being closed and people are no longer able to visit other people's homes unless it is the important person clause. They also are not allowed to travel more than 5 miles from home.

    Scotland's schools are due to go back next week. That is the top priority.

    P.S. Yesterday Spain had 5760 New Cases - this is up to the level when Spain was going through the worse.
     
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    Big deal more tests, it doesn't state the number of people dying or on ventilators and stuff? I find the article irrelevant to be honest, I mean if you test more people you get more results. Surely the statistic is the number of people hospitalised and suffering! If that's going up then there is an issue. The article doesn't tell if its just more people with the sniffles or more people in hospital or more people in morgues - its irrelevant.
     
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    Well maybe not the best article but a couple of times I was prompted to put in a thread about it and that was the article that came up - It was not the article which made me decide to put it in.

    Scotland has been doing way better than England with the Coronavirus but Aberdeen is now pretty much on lockdown again after a cluster which came from a pub.

    Tests go on all around Scotland so there is no reason for Aberdeen to have more people with it than anywhere else. Contact and trace is simply a way of contacting those who have been found to have the virus and testing them in order to stop them being able to infect others and so keep infection rate down.

    So the problem with this is that it is a cluster and when there are clusters the idea is to stop them as soon as possible so that they do not get into the general population so that we can get on with our lives as near to normal as possible.

    Here are the new rules for Aberdeen (today is yesterday)

    https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/what-new-lockdown-rules-aberdeen-22474249

    If you are wondering why I put it in well as I said a couple of things I read prompted me and I have more than once called for the shutting of the border with England to keep covid out, so it is only fair to mention when Scotland has a problem.

    Our top priority is to get schools back and if that means pubs and restaurants need to close then so be it.

    Englands R rate I hear is now over one and scotlands has risen to between 0.6 and 1. At 1 you get back into the situation where the rate can start doubling exponentially.

    Most of Europe is seeing numbers rising. Spain a couple fo days ago had a number which was equal to her at her worst. It would take longer for death rates to rise and I guess this is where to speak about your question as to why mention or deal with it before people are in hospital. It usually takes at least two weeks for someone to become so ill that they need to go to hospital and a further one plus and that plus can be a very long one until they die. The idea for getting information on how many people have the virus in the comminity is in order to stop it spreading if it is getting high so that we will end up with less people in hospital.

    Why Covid still important? Well still important to not let it get to the point where hospitals are overwhelmed and people are dying needlessly because they cannot get care. However with covid19 there always is the balance between taming the disease and keeping economics working at least to the point of being able to feed and keep people warm.

    Why do this? New disease. That means we do not know how it is going to progress.

    Why bother? Those people were about to die anyway. Many were not, many had a long time left and going back to what I said above we now know that a serious number of people look like they are going to suffer long term possibly life long consequenses and this includes even people who appeared asymptomatic. These problems can be continual fatigue, headaches, joint aches which all reduce the quality of life of the person having them to the more life threatening consequense to peope's lungs and hearts.....and we still do not know all it can get up to. Last week it was discovered that about a third of the people who were treated in hospital with covid 19 and got septis and recovered may die in the next few years.

    It is a balance of keeping people as safe as possible in order to allow people to live as well as possible and the economy to do as well as possible. In that way when half of the new cases in Scotland last week were found to be in Aberdeen and when it was already known that there was a cluster from a pub, Nicola imo did the right thing in putting Aberdeen back into almost total lockdown in order to prevent a more serious spread.

    I want Scotland free of this virus for the kids to be able to get back to school and people to work and play and that is what this is about.
     
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