Sincere apologies for taking 5 years to understand NDE comments on Gay Community!

I'm just glad I live in a country where we have separation of church and state.

 

I am willing to start over. Everything is water under the bridge. If you really care to discuss with me about this, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Let's start here...

Homosexuality isn't forbidden by the bible.

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Me too!!

 

I have a distrust of religion, probably for the same reason.

I personally have grown bored of the, "I'm right your wrong" cadence. And at the slightest hint of that you are in danger of losing me. I don't want to participate in that any more.

Quite frankly I resent having to face the same crap that I have from fundamentalist Christian whacko family members from somebody that claims to be in my side. I am being flanked by atheist lgbt. So yeah in a lot of ways You are "one of them." You don't have to be.

 

Yeah, and if I could see your face I'd see one of them.

It's already started the persecution of Christians at the alter of political correctness. But the Christians are going to be torched for being bigots.

 

Pretty funny seeing you fight amongst each other.

Bottom line is, homosexuality is both a sin according to the bible, and a mental disorder according to the APA before political correctness.

 

Once again you claim that. Yet no proof.

 

Why should anyone have to prove the obvious?

 

If it was obvious it would be easy to prove.

 

Not sure why you find it amusing. Do you expect us to agree on everything simply because we just so happen to be of the same sexual orientation? Do straight people think in lockstep on every issue?

I agree. But the Bible has got man's fingerprints all over it.

Yeah... human understanding evolving. Who'd have thought?? You're only latching on to this point because you believe it helps your agenda. You have no idea what defines a mental illness.

Homosexuality was declassified for no other reason than the fact it bore none of the hallmarks of a sociopathic disorder. Even before society started to turn on the issue people were pressing to have it declassified. Moreover, even China - which while not particularly hostile to gay people, isn't exactly welcoming either - has declassified it as a mental illness. It has nothing to do with being PC and everything to do with the facts.

 

It's just amusing because I understand both of your point of view. It's was an interesting exchange.

I really have nothing to add except to say that if you don't believe the Bible is the word of God, then you really don't believe in God. Either you believe it or you don't believe it. And if you don't believe it, of course you won't respect the words in it, or the people who do believe in God.

 

I'm a gay transgender Jewish Muslim. Life is good for me.

 

I was listening to CBC radio a few days ago and a transgender male talked about how he had been ready to begin dating a guy who had no idea that he was transgender but when he told him……. the reaction that he got was probably pretty rough for him/her to handle!

 

Near death experience......... and it is my belief that the possible campaign of near death experiencer Dannion Brinkley can significantly reform the G. O. P. regarding their relationship to the LGBT community.

http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...mpaign-gains-momentum-g-o-p-can-reformed.html
If Dannion Brinkley's campaign gains momentum.... the G.O.P. can be reformed!
In my opinion...… The Democrats and G. O. P. are too divided......… if they can find more common ground to cooperate on...… they would become somewhat more polite to each other...… and the stage would be set for significant progress.

There is a near death experiencer who is willing to campaign for the office of POTUS and if his campaign gains momentum...… and if his desire to team up with Donald Trump comes to pass........... the most bigoted members of the G. O. P. could well confront information that will transform how they view the LGBT community???!


......Because Dannion is himself a near death experiencer he can immediately understand the deep wisdom in the following statements by another near death experiencer. These few paragraphs have the potential to reform the most bigoted of G. O. P. voters....... which will greatly decrease the animosity that many Republicans and Democrats have for each other.


http://www.near-death.com/andreason.html#a11

What about sexually diverse people?

 

Love will always conquer hate.

 

Yes....... hatred is founded on fear..........."perfect love casts out all fear."

 

Just keep making up anything to try to angrily get people to feel sorry for homosexuals to endlessly try to work on guilt tripping along the lines of the constant claiming that gays suffered the way blacks suffered - trying then to make white guilt, now also pursuing heterosexual and Christian guilt.

I do not believe a word of the blog and people demanding others throw away the Bible and listen to social activists say being a Christian is has really worn thin.

 

The level of hatred coming out from gay rights activists now is off the charts. Just on this forum you read that anyone who merely disagrees with any LGTB slogan-of-the-month should be summarily executed and anyone who claims homosexual sex is a sin should lose everything they have and be banned from employment and income, as well as being publicly labeled and ridiculed as if Jews in the 1930s Germany - while also demanding they are who define what a Christian is and how Christians must act and think. Gay rights activism has become a hate mongering orgy.

 

Lol now Christians are victims?

 

Circumstantially yes, definitely and on multiple levels. That literally was life-death for the Oregon shooting.

 

While there are opposing opinions about the topic on this forum, in terms of raw insulting hatred on this forum it is 50 times greater against Christians than against gays or atheists.

Just today, a member posted that a Christian parent that takes their child to professional counseling for sex-gender topics should be "dragged into the street and shot" - literally advocating murdering moral-conservative Christians. The ranting against Christians, accusing them of all evil in world history - from the President on down - is constant, incessant and unlimited.

A member above on another thread posted that Christians who claim they were gay but thru faith became heterosexual are going to die within months of AIDS they pickup at a truck stop - another death-wish joke against Christians. It is constant - including on this forum. And Christians are being murdered now, literally. Fined. Boycotted. Publicly ridiculed across the board. Attacked. Murdered.

Cheering fining a business owner of a small business of only 5 employees $400,000.00 - taking his life savings from his bank account and obliterating his business - and those 5 employees families income - because he left a message asking a small group of men dressing up as women and coming to his bar to clown around to not do so on Friday night because it is harming his business doesn't even indicate he has any opposition to LGTBs whatsoever in any way and is total government oppression.

The bottom line is a gunman picking up on the constant accusations against Christians just went out and deliberately murdered Christians - only Christians. This is not the first mass shooting targeting Christians. Name ANY mass shooting murder of LGTBs. Try to find one.

Try to find messages on this forum by self declared Christians posting that any gay person should be dragged into the street and murdered. Search hard.

Christians are not only being discriminated against, they are the target of mass hatred from government, the media and from GLTB advocates, and are being financially ruined - and being murdered because they are Christians. And this discrimination and hatred spewed against Christians is growing at a radical rate.

 

Very good comments on this JakeJ.

The quotation given in the opening post, in my opinion, passes a stringent test indeed.......... and I believe is a form of literature up there with Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, the minor prophets and the writings of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, (not to mention Thomas and Mary Magdalene)!

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/christian-andreason.html#a11

11. What about sexually diverse people?

Hebrews 4:12..."For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."

There are TWO..... major applications to those words given to near death experiencer Christian Andreason.

On one obvious level......… Christians ....... who recognize the being of light of near death experience fame as being none other than Messiah Yeshua - Jesus in his glorified immortal form........... fulfilling this promise........


John 16:25...."These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father. "........ should not make fun of or make jests about the LGBTQ community........BUT ALSO....... it is not the will of the being of light of NDE fame for members of the LGBTQ community to continually make fun of or advocate financial or legal violence against Christians!

After all........... the Messiah/ Anointed King of Christians......… who defends them....... did state plainly that his followers would be some of the most terribly under-informed people to walk the earth. This admission by their King- Messiah should be considered.......... and should inspire a greater level of compassion from the LGBTQ community?!


Luke 16:8....."And the lord commended the unjust steward, because he had done wisely: for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light."


1Corinthians 1:26


"For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: "

 

But actually, no they aren't.

 

I thank you for your courage to tackle these questions and have the chutzpah to post your opinion.

I have to admit that as I began to study NDE accounts I was forced to rethink the way that I understood the entire Christian Bible. This was not an easy process and I got myself kicked out of two churches that taught "soul sleep." At this time it is still difficult for me to formally join any church......… because I know that conflict would soon come up............. so why bother?

I attend any church my wife wants to go to...............… but I know that I can't formally become a member....... even though there are some definite advantages to doing so.

 

Over these past few months I have been thinking that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus probably has a plan to use Ms. Cynthia Jenner to bring peace to the Middle East and later on to the whole world.................

Any community of people who will......… join together many voices and cooperate........... and discuss their options with each other....... will set in motion a series of events illustrated by two intriguing verses in scripture........ Happy Birthday Abigail Elizabeth Hester......… I hope you can make some bucks with this basic idea...............…

http://www.politicalforum.com/economics-trade/428423-moses-moshe-brilliant-economist.html

Was Moses - Moshe a brilliant economist?



Is the following statement one of the most accurate ideas regarding what we human beings are actually capable of IF..............we can actually agree on the need for a particular project?






"And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do." (Genesis 11)

Ecclesiastes 10:19


"A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things. "

Could it be possible for money to answer.......ALL modern world problems???????????!

............…

Theoretically.......An "Abigail Elizabeth Hester Volunteerism Hour" and/or a "Ms. Cynthia Jenner Volunteerism Hour or Dollar" could be used to bring the nations of Israel and Jordan to a much much higher level of economic and political cooperation.............


https://www.facebook.com/sisterabigailhester

 

IF........ a significant number of members of the Israeli Knesset......… were willing to ACCEPT an Abigail Elizabeth Hester Volunteerism Hour or Dollar and/ or a "Ms. Cynthia Jenner Volunteerism Hour or Dollar" ........ then............. the stage would be set up for Hollywood to finance turning the deserts of Jordan green....... which could theoretically be the cornerstone of a movement that will result in genuine peace in the Middle East.............

https://www.facebook.com/notes/dann...eans-from-rising-ocean-levels/642434499224784

The Sahara Forest Project and saving New Orleans from rising ocean levels.