Singapore’s health care system holds valuable lessons for U.S.

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  1. Mac-7

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    https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/singapores-health-care-system-holds-lessons-for-u-s/

    This might be something we should take a look at
     
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    Here is a video of their system

     
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    Huh?
     
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    These comparisons are stupid.

    We are not Singapore, what works in one nation may not work in another.

    We all have different histories, cultures, we think differently, have different values and standards.

    You could say that since America has never had a coup because of the second amendment that all nations should make guns legal.

    It doesn't work like that.

    Our gun beliefs only work here just like their healthcare policies only work there.
     
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    Did not you know that corruption is legal in USA?
    It has different name though - lobbying.
     
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    lobbying has nothing to do with the healthcare system in singapore
     
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    Singapore population- 5.6 million
    Urban population, 278.6 sq miles
    Global financial center
    Centralized medical facilities

    USA population- 327.2 million
    Sprawling population, 3.8 M sq miles
    Diverse economic engine
    Open market (semi) medical services

    ..yeah.. i guess those are comparables.. :roll:

    Here are the top 10 populated countries in the world. Compare them for an idea of the logistics with socialized medicine in a large country.

    1. China 1,389,618,778
    2. India 1,311,559,204.
    3. US 331,883,986
    4. Indonesia 264,935,824
    5. Pakistan 210,797,836
    6. Brazil 210,301,591
    7. Nigeria 208,679,114
    8. Bangladesh 161,062,905
    9. Russia 141,944,641
    10. Mexico 127,318,112

    Still think for a top 10 populated country, the US healthcare system is 'horrible!'? Would you prefer any of the other 9?

    This is like comparing a rich family with 1 kid, and their opportunities, to a middle class family with 6 kids. Still, i suspect many of the wealthy in Singapore go to the US for treatment, as they do in other socialized countries.

    But yeah.. room for improvement. Cut the monopoly of the AMA, end corruption and complicity between govt and insurance, break the collaboration between insurance and healthcare providers, open competition with alternative medicine, regulate pharma better.. stop gouging.

    IOW, put healthcare back in the open market, with less collaboration with govt bureaucracy.
     
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    Why would they need to?

    Are the doctors in singapore bad?

    No one has alleged that
     
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    1. Better, more advanced healthcare
    2. Some, probably, like everywhere.
    3. I suspect it, as a common practice for those with nationalized medicine.
     
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    How about you compare medical services with India and Indonesia, the 2 countries sandwiching the us in population?
     
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    Singapore is not nationalized medicine as we see in canada or the UK

    It offers fully private care for those who are able to pay

    And manditory medical savings accouts for the less wealthy
     
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    Actually the percent of GDP they spend on health is about 5% and is about $4,000 per capita compared to $11,000 for the US, and about $4,000 for the rest of the developed world. So in actual dollar values they are spending about as much as everyone else, except for the US. Their percentage of the GDP is so low because their GDP per capita is $77,000 which is really high.

    The percent of the population over 65 is 12.29% compared to 15.6% in the US, 21.45% in Germany, 19.35% in France, and 18% in the UK. So they are benefiting from a younger population. Singapore's obesity rate is 11%, compared to 32% in the US, 20.5% in Germany, 24% in France, and 27% in the UK. So Singapore has a younger and less obese population than the rest of the developed world which helps them out.

    Much of Signapore's healthcare publicly funded and run. Its hospitals are overwhelmingly publicly run, and a large proportion of their doctors work directly for the state. Their public hospitals are subsidized by taxpayers. Every person is automatically enrolled in a government health savings accounts that is deducted from income and pays for routine care called Medisave. For more advanced share everyone is automatically enrolled in a government insurance that has a premium and deductible called Medishield. Enrollment in these programs is compulsory and the government controls what these programs cover to be cost effective. They also have Medifund which helps people pay for healthcare.
     
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    Well yeah

    Its a much different place

    For instance it uas no liberal socialist obama voters who are too lazy to work

    And that is a problem

    But we still might get some good ideas from their example
     
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    lobbying and stealing tax payers' money has something to do with health care cartel in USA.
    actually in Singapore they simply kill thieves.
     
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    You are almost as bitter as you are indecipherable
     
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    No thanks.
     
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    Yes thats one of the better explainatons of the singapore system

    I think its worth considering
     
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    It is better than ours, for sure, but I want a system in which I pay for what I want, and not be taxed to pay for the needs of others. AKA: Capitalism. And that’s because I’d rather be a free man than a parakeet in a gold plated cage.
     
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    Really? Oh. You are referring to the Jussie Smollet scam. Well, it was certainly corrupt, but it was certainly illegal...your point is what? You hate America?
     
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    Principles apply no matter wat the situation, large or small. Delusions ultimately fail the farther they are from reality.

    I think the most significant reason its working is they have a large upperly mobile wealthy middle class to finance their healthcare. If they ever loose their vault of wealth to draw from, it will collaspe.

    Still, who wants to live life as a kept puppy. Not I.
     
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    Realistically medicaid is here to stay

    Singapore has manditory medical savings accounts for workers so it encourages respondibility

    The absolute losers in the system get minimum are but not as good as those who are contributing
     
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    Isn't a mandatory savings account just another name for a health tax on your income?
     
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    No

    Its your money that can never be given to someone else
     

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