Sinking US aircraft carriers will resolve tension in South China Sea, says Chinese admiral

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  1. Professor Peabody

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    I'll give ya that one. Thanks.
     
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    And this is where American hypocrisy comes in ... let's take a current example:

    Iran, which has been angry since 1979 anyway, is implementing the Islamic Sharia with draconian and fierce punishments. Ask yourself how and how often in the US media is reported from left to right about it!
    However, another country directly applying the Sharia right next to Iran ... Saudi Arabia ... was attacked until a few months ago when its Crown Prince came under fire, in the US media concealed! The reason is clear to you ... but is not it hypocritical?
    Or take Saddam in Iraq ... when the war against the evil Iran and has used both against Iranian soldiers, as well as against their own Kurds poison gas came from Washington as good as no criticism ... at best only a little because of the gassed Kurdish civilians and seriously right after Saddam became an enemy.
    But because of the gassed Iranian soldiers ...? Shrug in Washington at Democrat and Republicans! But if it had been the other way around and if Iran had used poison gas, eh?

    And that runs like a thread through US history after World War II!

    LBJ a racist? Civil Rights Act of 1964? Abolition of racial segregation throughout the entire USA?
    But otherwise correct that LBJ had started the war with a lie and false flag action ... only he was elected US President and his deeds in good and bad are also part of the history of the entire US!
     
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    My opinions dismissed? Lol ...
    Who actively started, or at least supported so actively, many of the conflicts and wars after World War II that it became a bloody civil war? The USA! And you as an American coming from this country called USA want to accuse me as a German, whose German ancestors fought against Hitler and died in concentration camps to denounce our bad history? Seriously?

    And btw ... we only started World War II, during the First World War we carry as much blame for the outbreak as all the others involved!
    If you are really looking for a guilty party in WW-1 then look for it in Serbia! His secret service had hired the assassin, who murdered the Austro-Hungarian Crown Prince and his wife and demonstrably behind it ... and that then the Austrians were mega angry and yelled for revenge YOU have to understand as Americans even best with regard to your US history , eh?
     
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    You ever read what LBJ said about the Civil rights act? The quote ran along the lines of ...we'll have those n-----s voting Democrat for the next hundred years ... and the Great Society has done more damage to the African American family by accident than the Klan, as horrible as it was, ever did on purpose. At least I hope it was by accident but that isn't guaranteed. And for what it's worth the Civil Rights act of '64 did little more than codify court decisions made over the proceeding decade.

    The Middle East is the land of terrible choices and strange bed fellows. Who's more dangerous the Revolting Saudi Royals or the Iranian theocrats with their nuclear ambitions and their desire for regional hegemony or more? I wish things were much simpler, but they aren't. The problem is human beings have to make decisions based on the information currently available, and those decisions had better reflect the reality as it is rather than as we'd like it to be or there will be hell to pay and there may well be hell to pay regardless. It is human beings that have to make these decisions and human beings are not omniscient, omnipresent ,or omnipotent, which is another way of saying that even with the best of intentions we can screw things up royally.
     
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    And after 20 years in possession of that technology, China has done practically nothing with it.

    The reason Clinton gave China the "football" and missile technology and satellite technology is because Chinese ICBM and SLBM warheads are in the 5 megaton range.

    When you're going to miss the target by 4 miles, you need 5 megatons to destroy the target. In the 1960s, that really wasn't a big deal, because suburbs were few and far between.

    Land a 5 megaton warhead now, you not only destroy the city, you destroy all the suburbs as well.

    If you're only going to miss the target by 10 meters to 100 meters, and that's what that technology will permit, you only need 400 kt to 750 kt to destroy the target, and the suburbs survive.
     
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    You just have to look at their weapons. And it helps to look for a nuclear weapons infrastructure.
     
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    How do you know? Are you a spy in China and know it fro a fact?
     
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    It's a huge and secretive country. Hard to tell what they do and don't have. We couldn't even do that in tiny Iran.
     
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    No, he's not, and the PLA knows he's not, This is just empty counting coup by a general eager to boost his own stock as Xi consolidates ever more power. The Chinese military isn't that stupid. They realize the yawning chasm between their level and ours. They also know that now is about the worst time for them to instigate any round of carrier-warfare. China wouldn't be spending all this money to develop their own carriers only to have us destroy them before they even put to sea. That old junker they bought from the Russians wouldn't make it past Taiwan before the hubcaps fell off and the muffler started dragging on the road behind it.
     
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    First, tactical nuclear strikes against the 200 most important military bases in China.

    Second, US heavy bombers armed with anti-ship missiles sink Chinese surface ships -- both military and civilian -- everywhere in the world.

    Third, US submarines hunt down and sink any Chinese submarine that they can find.

    Fourth, fighter jets flying out of Okinawa and southern Japan sink every surface ship -- both military and civilian -- that tries to escape or enter the East China Sea.

    Fifth, American bombers range throughout Chinese airspace at will dropping conventional bombs on a wide range of targets.

    Sixth, Taiwan declares independence. The US military backs up their bid for independence.

    Seventh, Tibet declares independence. US Special Forces train and equip a Tibetan guerrilla army to fight for that independence.

    Eighth, Xinjiang declares independence. US Special Forces train and equip a Uighur guerrilla army to fight for that independence.
     
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    There are no credible estimates that they have more than a few hundred. And not all of those are deployed on weapons that can reach US soil.

    Better dead than red.
     
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    Then China's 800 largest cities are destroyed with strategic nuclear weapons.

    So be it.
     
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    That depends on whether the goal is to simply damage a carrier and render it inoperable or to sink it.

    Sinking it would take a tactical nuke. Damaging it and rendering it inoperable is much easier.

    But what would China achieve from forcing us to withdraw our carriers from the region? That would not prevent our heavy bombers from sinking Chinese shipping everywhere in the world. How long is China going to hold out when they are cut off from the world's economy?
     
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    Not at all. American attack submarines are a deadly threat to other naval vessels.

    Hardly. Our heavy bombers have a very long range, and we have many allies who allow us to fly these bombers out of airbases on their territory.

    If China starts a conventional war with us, every Chinese surface ship in the world is going to be sunk by American warplanes.

    At the same time, most Chinese submarines will be sunk by American submarines. Whatever Chinese submarines manage to survive will do so only by running and hiding.

    Then our bombers will start destroying targets throughout the Chinese mainland.
     
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    US Navy submarines are a very serious threat to Chinese vessels.

    And then there is the US Air Force.
     
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    If China were to use nuclear weapons against US aircraft carriers, Congress would give the President whatever he needs.
     
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    The Christian, capitalist, democratic South Vietnamese had a right to remain free of communist dictators

    America won the war in Vietnam but lost the battle for hearts and minds back home
     
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    Antisemitism is so ugly.

    We'd break those sanctions and give Israel everything they needed.

    Is the world going to go without Intel CPUs?
     
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    That's assuming our new snowflake Congress would sanction and fund those actions.
     
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    Good point on subs and they may be the only real navy we have left in a tactical nuke war but once their bases were destroyed they to would soon falter
     
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    You mean the Christian lead South Vietnam, who's population was and is 95% Buddhist and whos religion was depressed by the Christian minority and which was so democratic like North Vietnam = not at all and so lead by a bloody regime had the right to remain in this status?

    Interesting ... because if you simply replace the Christian regime with a not liked Communist Regime 1:1 and which makes for the people no differnece, the US would have support the Viet Cong.

    And you think America won the war? Really? Ehm ... is South Vietnam still existing? No, but now reunited with the North who conquered the South. So who won again?
     
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    Once all of America's submarine bases are destroyed our enemies will have all of their cities destroyed with strategic nuclear weapons.
     
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    We've been hearing crap like this since WWII. :rolleyes:

    And weak minds always buy into it.
     
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    South Vietnam was lost but the rest of southeast asia was saved
     
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    Was it called Vietnam War or South East Asia war?
    And you lost South Vietnam and you lost Laos ... both countries where you fought against the evil commies with own troops and / or by secret war by CIA!
     

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