"Sluts" And "Bitches"

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  1. ibshambat

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    I once knew a woman who said that, when she went to a club with her sister, she was flirting with men there and her sister called her a slut.

    This should be examined a bit more.

    If a woman is friendly and outgoing, she is seen as a slut. If a woman is not friendly and outgoing, she is seen as a bitch. Based on that definition, I would pick a slut any time.

    If a woman is attractive, it is guaranteed that she will be attractive to other people besides yourself. It would take for her a will of steel to keep from falling for all the temptation that is out there. So you run a risk of having your woman be unfaithful. But think about it. Would you rather deal with that kind of thing? Or would you rather be dealing with a shrew?

    In the baby boom generation, many women were what people now would regard to be sluts. In generation X, many were what people now would regard to be bitches. Once again, I would rather pick a "slut" over a "bitch" any time.

    If you are friendly and outgoing, you run the risk of being seen as a slut. If you are not, many people will consider you to be a bitch. Which one, really, is worse?

    My former boss once complained to me that he was “getting long in the tooth.” I told him that everyone gets old except the people who die young. I most certainly consider it wrong to worship youth and have contempt for old age. The people who take that stance deny themselves the input of people who have greater wisdom than do they. And that leads them to make various foolish decisions that mostly hurt themselves.

    So whom do you want to be with: A woman who is friendly and outgoing and as such experiences lots of temptation? Or a woman who is nasty and mean-spirited and wants to make you her beast of burden and treat you like dirt? In one case, you will be running a risk of unfaithfulness. In the other case, you will be running the risk of being exploited and treated badly. Which one, really, is worse?

    We will see various risks of malfeasance with various people. And the question that one needs to pose is, which risk is worse?

    So we have had any number of men in history speaking badly of women. That is because they were applying to women impossible standards that no human woman could meet. Women, like men, are people. They are subject to various challenges and temptations. If you expect what you consider to be perfection, then you are going to be disappointed whomever you wind up with. If you are with a friendly and outgoing woman, you will be running the risk of infidelity. If you are with an unfriendly woman, you will be running the risk of being with a nagging wife.

    In my situations, the choice is quite clear. I would much rather be with a “slut” than with a “bitch.” I have done lots of work on myself, and one of the things that I got rid of a long time ago was my tendency toward possessiveness. I can put up with marital infidelity; but I would not put up with being treated like dirt or constantly being run down.

    I would not dream of dictating to other men what kind of relationships they can have. However it is important that they understand the possible challenges with whomever they choose to partner. A friendly and outgoing woman will be attractive to other men than themselves. A woman who is not friendly or outgoing will in many cases treat them badly.

    So men need to go into either situations knowing of the perils that they will be likely to face. And then they can make the choice knowingly and deal with its consequences without becoming misogynistic or worse.
     
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    you know what... just forget it :roflol:


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  3. ibshambat

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    What did I say that you did not like?
     
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    You have very serious issues..

    I am amazed, do you really see women like that ?
    Like life-sized blow up dolls for your own personal amusement ???

    just WOW ! ! !
     
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    lmao
     
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    From your OP it seems clear to me you have a very limited and biased understanding of women as well as an extremely generalized mindset which virtually eliminates the possibilities for expansion of experience which would remedy it. Females are quite unique and individual just as males are and simply do not fit into your definitions in my experience, though I have certainly known bitches who were extremely nice to me and sluts who were not.
    I married a woman who can be a powerful bitch when she needs to but, by far the most friendly and sexually attractive person I have ever known...I think your picker (pecker) needs adjustment.
     
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    Some people are attrected to 'types.' Others attract 'types.' Some both. When a person has both a 'type' they're attracted to and a 'type' they attract, they start to see all men or women in a very narrow light, because thats how they all are in that persons perception. I think theres some of that going on with this OP.

    And thats not a criticism, btw. I think I suffer from this as well. I've been accused of being a 'white knight' (a stoic) which means I tend to attract (and be attracted to) 'damsels in distress' (women with severe emotional problems). For a while, I thought they were all like that (my subconscious still thinks that). You gotta break out of your anecdotal evidence. You have to stop letting the lazy, stereotyping part of your brain dictate your perceptions.
     
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    “In the baby boom generation, many women were what people now would regard to be sluts. In generation X, many were what people now would regard to be bitches. Once again, I would rather pick a "slut" over a "bitch" any time.”

    Interesting the use of bitch and slut to describe women, A bitch is a pejorative the same way the N-word is but if I said the N-word here it would be deleted but the word bitch is perfectly OK even though is an insult to women..it is an accepted description
    The word slut is another word to keep women in their place. The reality is men are the sluts. Look at their sexual behavior.
     
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    Well yes, I have noticed that many men are encouraged to be promiscuous while women get attacked if they are promiscuous.
    I am not sure if there is more sexism to using "bitch" than to using "bastard" or "dickhead." Maybe the non-gendered term to use in both cases is "jerk," that way we are covering men and women equally.
     
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    Bastard is non gendered....and used to describe meanness usually l bitch is a catchall word for a woman,,,”ugly birch, fat bitch, rich bitch etc. Dickhead is definitely gender specific but it is not a word that is used often and it would be bleeped on television. Jerk is not comparable.
    What I find interesting is the N-word is bleeps but bitch is ok. In my workshop so I point out that the word bitch is a pejorative for women and women use it to describe each other negatively as well and I can’t think of any other group that does that. Flex use the N-word as an endearment not the way white people do
     
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    Maybe you should appropriate that term in the way that black people appropriated the N-word and software people appropriated "geek." That way it will lose its power to hurt you.
     
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    That has been done by many women using bitch to show strength. I do wish it would catch on. It’s true the word geek has become cool
     
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    I thought Bitch was simply a female Dog and not a term used for humans.
    Although Gay Men will sometimes call another Gay Man a Bitch....
    More of a sort of begrudging accolade....
    Oh, you- Bitch !
     
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    No bitch is a female dog and referring to a woman that way is implying she is a dog and it is an insult and a pejorative the same way the N-word is. The problem is we should not use it and gay men use it as a pejorative as well. Then n word is an acknowledged prejudice, the word bitch is a sanctioned prejudice.
     
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    What on Earth are you on about, m8?
     
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    What is m8?
     
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    I usually appreciate your arguments, but the above is just stupid.
     
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    WTF ?

    Merriam - Webster
    Defines the word Bitch
    As the Female of Canis, a Dog, not human.

    Merriam-Webster:

    Definition of bitch
    : the female of the dog or some other carnivorous mammals.

    How is what I said stupid ?
     
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    Did you even read My post ?

    Skim it at least ?
    It does not seem like it.

    And your reading comprehension cannot be that defective.

    My post never implied WOMEN should ever ever be referred to as a Bitch or a Dog or as some Black Men in Rap Music call Women a Ho.

    My ancillary comment was that Gay Men often refer to other Gay Men as Bitch, with no reference of any kind to Women.

    And just for the record, Black Men use the word N to refer to other Black Men, and sometimes as a compliment to other Men.

    Two people here need to read other people's posts more carefully before jumping all over them.
     
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    Yes, gay men might refer to the,selves as bitches but you are being disingenuous when you pretend that the word bitch is not a nasty catch all for women, Rich bitch, stuck up bitch, fat bitch, ugley bitch etc
    The n word is used as comraderie..they took back the word
    Ps
    My reading comprehension is not defective and I am surprised you are personally attacking me
     
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    Context is the keyword. Just as you point out that the "N-word" can be used as comraderie, so can the word "bitch". I have heard girls call their friends that as a form of joke and even between guys, it is a common form of "sarcasm" if, for example, you ask someone to go get you a glass of water and he does so - -> "Thank you, bitch."

    As a man, I would never refer to a woman as a "bitch" because I have adult manners. However, my experience tells me that the usage of "bitch" and "slut" as malevolent prejoratives is far more common between girls than it is directed from boy to girl.
     
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    In some cultures, some forms of speech may be more acceptable then in others. I am not even sure we can judge others by our standards -- and yes I am guilty of that as well.

    Quoting from a major South African newspaper
    Using the same reasoning, the aforementioned words should only apply to women who

    -- abuse their children or partners
    -- blame all men for the faults of few
    -- defame the innocent

    Those who are not abusers should realize that these words are not about them.
     
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    Once again, we can not judge a different culture. Moreover, a Tweeter user who expressed her thoughts much better then I could said:
    Women who have not abused their children or partners, and did not slander anyone should not be offended by epithets which do not relate to them.
     
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    Actually it used by both....and bitch is a catch all...
    It is something I try to raise consciousness with in my groups. Women are the on,y group that refer to themselves with a perjorative AND allow men to. Black people can use the N-word but a white person can’t. Women can use the B word and men can as well
    Ps I find it interesting that you see it a word used by children, not adults
     
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    Ugh. Policing language is always very dangerous. Of course, if you find something "Not OK" or offensive, you should speak up. However, the right context must be chosen - if it is an obvious joke or an innocent "stop being a bitch" to a whiny friend, then it will make you a party-pooper supreme.

    I don't know of any woman who would refer to herself as a "bitch".

    Mental children, yes.
     
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