So after 100 thousand Americans have died, we know whose fault all of this is.

LOL....So you condescendingly say...

"Where did you read "halt all flights" from China? That would be as idiotic as claiming that Trump "banned all travel" from China."

I reply by giving you an AP link that says precisely "suspending all flights between the US and China"

...and do you finally man up and say "my bad"? Of course not......instead you accuse me of changing the subject despite the fact that the sum total of my reply was directly answering YOUR question. Some people are more intellectually dishonest than others. I am not aware of anyone on this board that exceeds your level in that regard. It takes away any ounce of credibility that you may otherwise have. I am surprised that you do not understand that. You arent fooling anyone other than yourself. Sincerely.

 

Trump loyalists believe that suspending flights that airlines had already suspended was all that needed to be done.... And then he could go on to his rallies and to playing golf..

My point is made.

 

Considering the fact that Joe Biden didn’t agree with national travel restrictions all the way till April, if your intent is to claim that Trump made bad decisions, then the alternative presumptive democratic nominee is even worse - he’d be sniffing women and scratching his arse all the way till April before ANY restrictions would be implemented.
Trump vs Biden.
Chose your poison.

But “Orange Man Bad”...

 

3 years ago we learned that POTUS can’t restrict immigration from some countries even for 90 days.
In January we found out that for Congress it was more important to impeach Trump than to work with Trump against the virus when he started to talk about it.
We also learned that shutting down borders is racist and we must let everyone into this country.
In April, we finally learned that the only viable candidate that Dems have agrees with Trumps travel restrictions.
And now, according to Never Trumpers, it’s all Trumps fault.

You say you were making a point. I hate to break it to you, but you don’t have a point. Any intelligent reasoning leads to Democrats, not Trump, as the source of failures of this outbreak.
You keep shooting selves in your feet. Remember that all women who accuse men of sexual misconduct should be trusted? Worked well with Kavanaugh. Now, libs suddenly changed their minds. It’s pretty obvious to everyone that you don’t care about the virus, women, rights, racism and other things. You only care about someone if you need to install an old white man behind the wheels of this country with a D next to his name.

 

You're not discussing with the AP. You're discussing with me... and with reality! I just showed you reality. If the AP said anything different (and I don't know what they say, because I don't care), then I have proven them WRONG! Just like I proved you wrong: Contrary to what you said, airlines announced the suspension of flights before Trump announced travel restrictions. And I proved it by showing you the announcement made two days before Trump made his. Trump is a follower. Not a leader! My point, once again, is proven.

 

You are a waste of time because you are inherently dishonest. My point has been proven which is blatantly obvious to anyone that read the conversation.

 

Denying reality is always a waste of time.

 

Great! So add Joe Biden to the list of those who should be doing Trump's job for him, because he's too incompetent to do it himself.

How could Biden not listen to his secret intelligence briefings, his Secretary of Health and his CDC? Was he expecting this incompetent President to do the job of President?

Don't despair. If, as you say here, you want Biden to do the job that corresponds, not to a presidential candidate, but to the President, then you'll have a shot at accomplishing that in November.

 

My God! Look at all the people that are guilty of mishandling this pandemic! Never Trumpers, Democrats, Congress.... who-knows-who from three years ago! Even Dr. Ford is responsible for the mishandling of the Pandemic!

All of them, according to you, should have done Trump's job because he's too incompetent to do it himself.

Everybody mishandled the pandemic.... But not Trump....

Deities are Infallible!

 

Oh, so Trump should have waited till April to impose any restrictions? That would have made you praise him?
You manage to contradict yourself in your own thread. Do you even have a point? Or is this thread just a symptom of TDS?

 

Leftist rubbish.

 

Try reading again.

 

You are repeatedly being intellectually dishonest with your responses. No one is saying that anyone but Trump should be doing Trump's job. What we are saying is that there is no evidence that anyone would have done better, especially Biden. In order to judge someone, you have to judge them against some kind of standard. Not just arbitrarily saying what they did is not good enough. The standard is what other leaders could have done or have done and they have all fallen short of Trump.

 

He did a damn sight more than that once it became clear that more had to be done. Fact is he has done far more for this pandemic than Obama did for swine flu or SARS.

 

No. What the hell does April have to do with it? He should have started preparing as soon as his experts in his administration told him that it was time to start preparing! And to stop believing what his pal Xi (and one of his main dictator role models) was telling him.

And, by God, not lie to the people!!!!!

 

Where did Trump indicate that he believed Xi on this issue? Link please.

 

Well... I guess he hasn't realized that yet. Because he has done nothing. He's still lying. Telling people to take the component of medication for fish. He doesn't even wear a mask! I wear a mask! So I'm doing more than he is.

Who's Obama?

I can tell you that he has done more for this pandemic than just about anybody else. And we kinda wish he stopped and instead started doing something against it!

 

You keep crying about Trump, claim Democrats would handle this better, even though the front runner who will face Trump on the ballot agreed that China travel restrictions were the correct way of handling the spread just 4 months after trump implemented them.
Your rants are not logical. You claim Trump is bad, but in November you will vote for someone who would not have done anything for at least 4 months after the information of this virus became public.
Trump did try to do something about this virus back in January, but at that time you and your pals were busier with impeachment that everyone knew goes nowhere and then accused Trump of being a racist for travel restrictions that your leader now agrees to. Oh, and don’t forget illegal alien hysteria and border wall.

But, yeah, with your warped logic, Trump is bad. Biden would have handled this flawlessly, facts be damned! Keep selling your talking points. At least partisan left wingers agree with you.
It seems to me critical thinking is going extinct with modern progressives.

 

You are being intellectually dishonest again.

Obama is one of the people we compare Trump to. One of the democrats you keep ignoring who would have done no better than Trump and most likely worse.

 

Huh? Why are you asking me that? You were the one who gave me the link!

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-all-of-this-is.572813/page-6#post-1071713159

 

This short term memory loss explains your rants here. It seems to me your memory is not serving you well even as far away as 4 months ago. Wouldn’t be surprised if you thought Bush served from 2001 all the way to 2016.

Masks only prevent you from spreading the infection. If you have everyone in the room wearing a mask, then 1 person can easily get away without wearing it. Same thing with vaccination - in a group where a large majority is vaccinated, a few individuals can get away with not having the vaccine and still benefit.
So, if POTUS is tested every day and is always surrounded by people wearing masks, then why does the POTUS need to wear one? If this was Obama (remember the half-black POTUS that left office 3 years ago? The one who cut short sentences of notorious gang bangers just a month before his term expired?) I don’t think anyone would think twice about President not wearing a mask.

 

However, most recently after the facts were better known, he became very critical of China at the same time democrats were blaming Trump for the virus rather than China.

 

He started in freaking January with the travel ban. And early March trying to get all the ppe ventilators and other thing on line.

 

You are confused. Sorry but what you have written may suit the reality created in your mind but not the reality that actually is.

 

How many ways must it be explained to you that the frontrunner is not the President, therefore he receives no security briefings, therefore he has no access to the CDC or the Secretary of Health to tell him that this is dangerous, and no access to the President of China to pressure him into giving him facts! Therefore he must rely on the information that the President puts out. And guess what information the President was putting out? That this was nothing. That the Chinese had it under control, .... and so on.

There is only ONE President.

And, BTW, You give too much credit to Trump. China travel restrictions were almost useless! Starting by the fact that the airlines had already started suspending flights to China before Trump announced any restrictions. So actually Biden was right the first time. If you want to complain that Biden (who didn't have the information) was wrong... fine... But that's it! There is no further consequence. Now let's see you complain about Trump, who did have all the information. His poor decision making cost thousands of lives.

What would have been useful was leadership! Leading the country so we could prepare. Listen to his intelligence agencies, to his health authorities.... and start preparing the country.

I am absolutely convinced that if somebody a sensible President had been in charge, we would have seen a very limited outbreak with relatively few deaths. We had enough time to prepare. More time than Europe and Asia had. Trump, yet again, dropped the ball.... And Americans died!