So you want a tax on abortions to pay for programs to prevent abortion... interesting. Who would pay for these forced sterilizations if a woman chose to get an abortion and could also pay the new tax? Will we tax abortions again to pay for this? What if a woman is unable to afford her forced sterilization?
The dr is there to consult and inform, not make the decision for her. Yes, the woman will decide, it is her choice — saying “it is between a woman and her doctor” simply means stay out of her medical decisions.
FoxHastings said: ↑ ...and how many other people MUST go through a panel to have their LEGAL medical procedure done? The fetus is not a "party" ….nor is it a person. Now quit trying to wriggle out of answering .."""and how many other people MUST go through a panel to have their LEGAL medical procedure done?"""""
Uh, who TF are YOU to "compromise", to judge women's situations, ? Are you some kind of god? or just think you are? Seriously, who TF are YOU to judge and HOW TF would you evaluate EVERY abortion situation...you can't, understand, you can't....and it's none of your, or anyone else's business... What can't you get about that, it's none of your business...[/QUOTE]
How about a loan program? Tell you what, if the woman is still low-income by the time she is in her 40s, the debt would be forgiven. In that case, it would probably be an overall benefit to society anyway, so I am okay if the taxpayers have to cough up some dough. (at least from what I've researched, I think they already do sterilizations at most county clinics with a $50 copay, so I think the point is moot)
With rights comes responsibilities... Can the woman be trusted to judge for her fetus? Do you know what a bioethics panel is?
No, what I really mean is what I posted....not going to let YOU tell me what I mean.....your "misinterpretations" are legendary..
Explain how birth control can be "free" if the government pays for it, but not "free" if women getting abortions are taxed to pay for it. (You do realize if government is paying for it, someone is getting taxed?) Realize that this whole conversation about paying for birth control started within the context of trying to reduce abortions as the justification.
Why not? Don't you think women are capable of making their own decisions? That's very misogynistic and sexist... Who else? YOU? LOLOLOLOLL Are all the Anti-Choicers going to pay for that? It'd cost millions ….
Yes. Abortions are a decision that affects a second party though. Do I have to refer you to a second thread? Maybe the conjoined twin analogy? We've already had this argument.
I never said that....your imagination is working overtime. Of course it's not free if women have to pay for it....couldn't you figure that out for yourself ?????? Realize you went off topic ..
NO, there is no other party than the pregnant woman.... even if there was it's still the woman's decision
Here's my proposal: If the panel ends up ruling in the woman's favor, she doesn't have to pay for it. I think women would have a good idea whether the panel would approve the procedure. So hopefully in many cases, women wouldn't bother going to the panel because they'd already know what the outcome would be. We'd only need the panel in a small percentage of the cases, but the very existence of the panel would serve as a deterrent. I'm even okay with making 2 of the members of the panel Philosophy grads to save money.
Ya, here's your OP : """In the past here on this forum, I've heard pro-choicers say women should not be treated like animals. But then I've also heard them say women are like animals and can't control themselves.""" You made a false claim and have NEVER proven it's true (underlined).....that's the topic .
Copay is if they have insurance. That you see nothing wrong with the government forcing a woman to pay for a forced sterilization but are unwilling to have the government try and prevent this through no cost birth control should tell any objective viewer all they need to know about this line of reasoning. If you were serious about preventing abortion you would be for any program to prevent them — but it seems all you want to do is punish women.
Because that doctor wouldn’t be just advising her, he would be pushing his narrative. Doctors should give fact — not (likely religious) indoctrination.
