So its 3 years in the trumps presidency but no state visit to Germany yet

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  1. Lil Mike

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    Most German SS troops didn't survive the war which is why Polish and Muslim's were filling the SS ranks towards the end of the war.
     
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    That's an easy decision to make in hindsight, but at the time it seemed there was still hope for a negotiated peace. That would have become impossible if the Germans had massacred the British forces as they were retreating at Dunkirk.

    Not invading Russia would have made the biggest difference, and that's not just hindsight, that was a decision that seemed crazy now and at the time.
     
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    You ego will be your biggest downfall. Just like Hitler.
     
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    The moral Hitler, as Sobo sees him, invaded Russia after he made a peace pact with Stalin. But invading Russia was not the real problem, Hitler started the invasion too late in the year when winter was coming against the advice of his generals. Hitler believed he was making a rational decision.
     
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    Unless a face to face meeting is needed, I don't see any reason why any president needs to run around the world visiting different countries. Not with all the modern secure type communications available. Then there are all these summits, economic like the G-20 and a bunch of others. NATO meetings and others where different world leaders attend. Here's his list of countries.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_international_presidential_trips_made_by_Donald_Trump

    I really don't see any need for any president to go flying all over the world, unless something is happening that needs his attention or a point of cooperation and possibly defense needs to be stressed such as Reagan's visit during the cold war. Anything else, the leaders can have a secure VTC.
     
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    The survival rate of SS troops was actually well above 80%. At the end most simply left the front.

    As for Hitler, he was never rational, always filled with silly morals and ancient believe systems. A laughable figure. As was most of his regime.

    Do you have an idea how much Hitler and is team was mocked by german troops?
     
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    Do you actually compare me to Hitler?

    It starts to get comical.
     
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    Killing defenseless women, children and old men wasn't a dangerous occupation for the SS. It was towards the end when the hunters (SS) became the hunted did their membership numbers start to dwindle. And there is nothing laughable about a figure who was responsible for 80 million deaths. Your poking holes in your claim of being a rationale person.
     
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    Actually I'm beginning to believe you are the anti-christ.
     
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    My great grandfather got a medal for blowing up an american tank. Thats not women and children.

    That said, now its 80 million yo...why not 800 million? it gets more each year the war passed. It gets more and more laughable.
     
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    Trump doesn't even respect the office holds. He is incapable of it.
     
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    He is waiting for Putin's orders....
     
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    Most people who make irrational decisions think their decisions are rational.
     
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    Well if you have a choice between the German market or one that's four times larger (American) and twice as large (Mexican) it would seem most logical to focus on the American and Mexican
     
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    The german car market is mostly high end prices. The thing is, american companies tried it again and again and sunk billions here. They make cars that they think Germans like but are monstrosities.

    I think its almost impossible for americans to be sucessful on the german market.

    The worst desaster was WalMart. They were coming to Germany with all pomp and fanfare and just after 2 or 4 years went down like the Titanic.

    First they tried 1:1 to copy their american model. Which completly failed. People here dont want that someone puts their stuff in bags. People here dont want that employee smile at you. Its seen as bizarre and strange. After a year or so, they tried to adapt to German market but with their american management. It was cringe.

    Its hard to describe...like it was like americans imagine what Germans like but for Germans it appeared totally alien in a weird and strange way.
     
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    So Germans prefer to bag their own purchases and don't want employees to smile at them? That sounds bizarre and strange to me.
     
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    We dont want others touch what we buy. It appears bizarre for us and people did not allow this. Do i know if this person has washed his hands? Do i know if he / she is ill?

    No, and its alien for us. I have two hands, i pack my own stuff in my bags.

    As for smiling, its seen as flirting here. When a male employee smiles at me, this is seen as super gay. Different nations have different cultures. WalMArt failed at that.

    Here is a good article:

    https://thetimchannel.wordpress.com/2012/11/18/why-walmart-failed-in-germany/

    Walmart, the most successful retail operation in the US, failed to make even a dent in the largest and most vibrant European economy (Germany) after losing a billion dollars in the process of bungling their German market experiment with so much failure it is now the stuff of local urban legend.. Let’s examine the reasons.

    Cultural Hubris

    “The problem was the company’s business philosophy, which had always worked so well,” wrote Frankfurt’s Börsenzeitung in what pretty much amounted to an obituary. “It’s people-centered – but that doesn’t actually work when the people aren’t American.

    The company gave the job of masterminding Wal-Mart Germany to an American who didn’t speak a word of German.

    The Germans weren’t fond of the Walmart practice of hiring old people to accost greet them at the door, nor were the German workers impressed with morning warm-up sessions (“Higher Profits Uber Alles! — Can I get an Amen there Fritz!!”)

    The third problem was bad press. The media reported that shoppers were turned off by Wal-Mart staff hired to greet them at the door and bag their groceries. This sort of thing was and still is unusual practice in Germany, so it was done away with.

    Another issue was the smiling. Walmart requires its checkout people to flash smiles at customers after bagging their purchases. Plastic bags, plastic junk, plastic smiles. But because the German people don’t usually smile at total strangers, the spectacle of Walmart employees grinning like jackasses not only didn’t impress consumers, it unnerved them.
     
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    Yes I can see your point about different cultures. I've read that one thing that surprises most Europeans about Americans is the American habit of being friendly to perfect strangers.
     
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    Indeed! :applause:
     
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    It doesnt surpise us that much. It appears fake for us.

    As the article said. Fake smiles. In Germany smile is a positive feeling. I smile to my friend and family. If a stranger smiles at me, i feel weird..

    For us its like this:

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    Its unnerving us and appears crazy.

    Having a manager at the top who did not speak one word German, was the direct route down into doom.

    WalMart sunk an enormous amount of money in Germany and its desaster was so big here, that it is still talked about.
     
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    I worked for Walmart nearly 9 years. They do have some blind spots.
     
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    Hitler had two decisions in july of 1940. Launch an invasion of Britain, or neutralize the West with the elimination of the Soviet threat. By this time peace with Britain seemed unlikely, Churchill was never going to agree to peace. The decision to attack the Soviet Union was rational, but the insistence on capturing Leningrad first, and then diverting troops from group center to south prevented the capture of Moscow. Had Moscow been the primary target and captured in 41 Hitler's myth of invincibility would have forced the Brits to terms and hitler would not have declared war on the U.S.
     
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    No. To the people who put him in position of power.
    To the people who did not care and the ones who helped him murder the Gypsy and the Jew.
    To the people whos blind false arrogance made ww2 possible.
     
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