So Trump supporters, explain how Joe Biden win will ruin your life

Biden says he wants to reunite our people. What frightens you about that?

 

American infrastructure is falling apart. A large percentage of Americans still have no access to affordable healthcare. In America, you & your whole family loses healthcare if you become unemployed for any reason. Under Trump, America has lost most of its Allies. Many Americans work for wages that don't cover costs of living, even at a very basic level. The Covid virus has killed more Americans in 9 months that America lost in WWI, Korea & Vietnam combined, over a period of 15 years. And you're singing the praises of governmental gridlock. You really want government that accomplishes nothing? What kind of American are you?

 

Reuniting our people without a globalist agenda would be a good thing! Selling out America for a globalist vantage is a bad thing. Think we could get Biden to ever say America First?? If he is going to pay off student loan debt then at the very least he needs to give every American that learns a trade that average amount. He needs to keep our borders secure. If he won't do at least those things, he will have four rears of "resist".
It's a good thing we won't have to worry about any of that!

 

1. What is your definition of "globalist"? I've seen several, & I don't know which you work under. I will say, we live in a "global" world right now. Truth is, the civilized world is all co-dependent & interdependent to a much higher degree than most of us realize. Next visit to any store or grocery market, take a look at where the goods for sale come from.
2. Biden will be constantly sensitive to making sure he protects the interests of America in whatever activities he's engaged in. Every good President, regardless of party, does that. If you mean make "America First" at the expense of everyone else, then I hope not, for I want America to be a good team member nation working with other nations, not dictating to them.
3. I haven't heard that idea before, but I like it. As a liberal, I want everyone to benefit from opportunities available in America.
4. Our borders were already secure BEFORE Trump took over. Obama had reduced Mexican illegals down to zero. Trump made it an issue because it was a convenient lie. As President, he actually lost ground his first two years by allowing more illegals in than Obama did. But he really damaged America by incarcerating all those children--even infants--in cages the way he did. Such a thing is totally unAmerican from a human values perspective, & illegal as well. Personally, I'd like to see him charged with kidnapping & child abuse, & have him serve the standard jail sentences for both.
5. Trump forced us to see each other as "enemies" rather than fellow Americans. Americans have always had a healthy measure of political disagreement, but our forefathers were somehow able to make America a success story. We are no more different than they were. We should have the same capacity for success. But it requires halting this practice of making enemies of one another. You have to decide for yourself whether you want to continue dismantling America, or make it better.
6. You don't. You just need to be part of the solution rather than part of the problem. It's literally your choice.

 

What in the hell is a "globalist agenda?"

Now, you're talking about a "globalist vantage?" What is that?

Blather.

We need a redo of worker training, from university to trades. You're trying to make sure everyone gets "the same."

What does that mean? Half of illegals came through the front door on a visa. Why didn't Trump go after employers hiring illegals?

I can't believe you won't find a grievance to nurse. You'll resist until folks get tired of people pushing extreme views and you find yourself profoundly isolated.

 

It's exactly what you get with Biden, Obama, Hillary, Bush, Romney, or any of the sellouts that have assisted in building Communist China since normalization. We gave them our industry in hopes of global equalization. The elite get rich off of it. Ask Hunter and the "Big Guy".

 

Well charity is also socialism. Did that PUBLIC school that still took state funds not teach you what society means and didn't your church teach you about what is expected of you by GOD?

If you refute my point you will confirm that you are not a human being but an evil entity here to undo what man has built.

 

LOL! Better put the whiskey away and go to bed.

 

Socialism authoritarian. It takes over private businesses and runs them through the state. Charity is the opposite. It is elective and comes from the heart, not from authoritarian government.

Socialism isn't about society. It is an economic system. Public schools are a government service. One can choose to use the service or use a private school or home school. No socialism there. I have no idea what god expects of me. Perhaps you can fill me in.

So now your nonsense has been refuted by an evil entity. Socialism is an evil because it creates authoritarian governments. Not one socialist system has been successful. If you support socialism then you are not a human being but rather an evil entity.

 

So easy to refute your points. Charity is not "government enforced". Government is the collective forcing confiscation, ultimately at the point of a gun, for redistribution in what you falsely claim to be "charity". ......that is "Socialism". The scriptures teach that God loves a cheerful giver. That implies the giver receives a "blessing" when he gives from the bottom of his heart. If you desire I could give you a whole teaching on this, but it is hardly a mandate for government to confiscate and do it for you!

You can call me an evil entity if you wish but you are the one who brought up Church. Church is derived from a Greek word for a Christian gathering. Jesus said- "Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me." When I give to charity, I give in the name of God and I do it out of a conviction of "love" not government. I give no glory to what man has built. It is what God has built and the convictions he has instilled in the hearts of man. "Render unto Caesar what is Caesars but give to God what is his!"

Didn't mean to teach or preach, but you are the one that brought it up, so it was forthcoming!

 

You said it exactly. I refuted this before I read your post, but you are direct and to the point. Thanks.

 

You haven't explained what a "globalist advantage" is and especially not how whatever it might be impacts this country.

 

No, @fmw didn't say it "exactly," but did get it largely correct.

Socialism is collective ownership of the means of producing goods and services.

Public schools in this country are, for the most part, owned and operated by government, the essence of socialism. We have some privatization with those charter schools run privately.

Socialist economic systems at nation state level have been dismal failures. Some collectives--farming co-ops, for example--have been successful.

 

Charity is voluntary giving to the private sector as a means to help others.
Socialism is... not even close to that.
So... no.

 

When you give trade deals that benefit China over the U.S. Deals like NAFTA that was a loser for the U.S. When the U.S. pays far more than it's share to fund NATO when others don't pay their minimum. When you join Climate Change orgs. that hold the U.S. to a much higher standard than say....China. Membership in the U.N. is much more costly to the U.S. than other nations. These and other treaties that are designed to minimize America and give others advantage is what I am calling out. American globalists don't believe in America 1st. They're far more concerned in lining their own pockets and pleasing the Soros crowd!

 

Yet you wish to hoard what is Caesar's and take pride in your alms. So sorry if I got a little creative in calling you a hypocrite.

Look I'm not a socialist but I value socialist efforts in this country such as school, roads, the police, the fire dept. heck, even the library.

 

Farming co-ops are indeed collectives that can be opted out of. Those are primarily private.

 

I take no pride in my alms and have not disclosed to you what they are. None of your business.

Everything you mentioned does do better when privatized. Education being a primary example. In our economy, we have a say in what we give to Caesar. In fact.....Caesar still works for us! (maybe you don't like that) We try to keep the reins on Caesar because he often has a tendency to get too big for his britches.

The fact you equate the idea that Americans like to keep more of what they have earned and you call that "hoarding", puts you in the camp of "Big Government"!
Sorry Charlie, that is Socialism lite at best!

 

Those are all government services like schools. I think we all value them.

 

So you want to defund the police?

I do alright for myself and I earn every one of my dollars. Though I don't make six figures a year I did not need a tax cut so I give that money to those in need. Probably the same people who were getting my tax dollars before the cut.

Do you think you could stop looking down your self righteous nose at my posts and try to understand what I'm saying instead of trying to rationalize your opinions by calling me something I'm not?

 

Thank you, sorry I'm coming off like a jerk. I just believe there is a happy medium between gov/public services and capitalism. I don't agree that it has to be one or the other.

 

https://biblia.com/bible/nrsv/leviticus/19/9-10

This is the law of God. There was nothing voluntary about this law. So is God a socialist?

 

Of course I don't. Protection of our society from evil is actually the main function of any government.

I think that is very righteous of you. You did it voluntarily so it must make you feel good. It certainly is far more efficient than funneling it through the bureaucracy of government! There are leeches there that siphon off any penny they can get!!

You accused me of "taking pride in my alms". You also equated me as an "evil entity". Unlike you, I have not mentioned any of my giving alms.You also accused me of being self righteous and looking down my nose. After all, you were the one that brought God into the picture. You also alluded to calling me a hypocrite without any evidence whatsoever, however I do forgive those things.

However, you made this discussion interesting in comparing simple acts of government equal with "Socialism". It would eliminate some of what has me confused if you could comment on a few questions.

1) Do you feel government should pay off student loan debt?

2) Do you think Healthcare is a "right" to all Americans?

3) " " " " " " to anyone that invades our boundaries illegally?

4) Do you believe there should be a minimum yearly wage that government should guarantee?

5) Do you think there should be a cap on what an individual should be allowed to earn?

6) Would you agree that maybe doing away with all write offs could be augmented by a National Flat tax?

 

That is God.....not government. Those are directives to not be stingy but be generous. God leaves the ultimate decision to us. He does not garnish our accounts or throw us in prison. We obey God as a matter of love for Him. He gives us that "choice".

 

Your god, maybe. Doesn't in any way diminish what I said.