So When Do REPUBS IMPEACH BIDEN?

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  1. DEFinning

    DEFinning Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You already quoted my enumerating of your unproven claims--

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-impeach-biden.605461/page-22#post-1073854375

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    1. Pelosi has full responsibility (along with Schumer) for Capitol security.
    2. Trump offered Nancy, prior to January 6th, National Guard troops to help, on the day of his rally.
    3. Pelosi turned down Trump's offer.
    4. During attack, Pelosi realized that the troops were, in fact, called for and so, contacted the White House to give her authorization, which was immediately acted upon.
     
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    Read the damn laws ... Posse Comitatus and the Insurrection Act. While you're at it, why don't you stop making excuses for the Orange Oaf doing nothing while our Capitol was under attack.
     
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    There's merit in having a look. I don't collect Social Security or use Medicare.
    Long overdue.
    We should all start with the same facts and decide how to provide services people need.

    Our life expectancy if five years less than Italians.

    We might also look at what it's going to take to protect the environment. I think we may conclude we need a new generation of nuclear reactors.
     
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    that is not what divided power is. Never has been. There will be one impeachment proceeding by the end of 2023. that will fail in the senate and a 70% chance it will pass the house. With GOP representatives that want to get reelected in competitive districts, they may not vote for any impeachment articles. Nor do I think there will be a government shutdown. There may be continuous CRs and a raising of the debt ceiling because I don't think the Republicans are that stupid. If they don't raise the debt ceiling that will be a complete partial government shutdown and the voters, mostly independents, will be pissed at the GOP for not getting things done and work in a bipartisan way.
     
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    Popscott does not realize that is against the chain of command for the DC National Guard. They already had 700 some troops directing traffic that day. What happened was that the DC National Guard was activated the moment the attacks was reported, and per the permission of the DoD Secretary deployed to rallying points at predetermined destinations.
     
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    They never sought permission to begin with. That is outside the chain of command. The chain of command for DC National Guard is the DoD, and then the President. Pelosi and others in Congress can request National Guard presence if they chose too. They did and were denied by Trump.

    https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-235651652542

    https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-trump-order-national-guard-156055113284
     
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    I provided links to the Posse Comitatus Act and the Insurrection Act to explain Presidential power and limits legislators have attempted to place on it. I'm convinced most of our forum rightwingers are interested in defending Trump and not in finding the facts.
     
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    Clearly, not enough was done by those responsible for protecting the Capitol. Trump did nothing for three hours. He deserted his post.
     
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    that is true. The intelligence was there and verified. Trump ignored that intelligence, among other things.
     
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    Pelosi couldn't do more than request help from the DC National Guard.

    Our rightwing friends are being gaslighted by their media.
     
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    Was the riot a more hateful and destructive Trump channeling Richard Nixon? I think he may have cooked his goose...

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    ... by his actions on January 6, 2021.
     
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    I presented information on the Posse Comitatus Act and the Insurrection Act. What do you have?
     
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    You're not going to read my sources or provide you own. There's no basis for a discussion.
    He did nothing for three hours.
    Suddenly, your new skill of including links in your posts is kaput. :roll: :roll:
     
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    For all @LangleyMan uploads
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    You don't know what you are talking about.... let's go over it one more time...

    at 1:40 p.m..... they needed Pelosi's approval and Mitch McConnell's approval for the guards ..... they literally asked her permission on the house floor that day.... and she also made sure that McConnell was "in the know" also... the guards were authorized by Trump days before as required.... The Capitol must request the guard before they can enter Capitol property...
    January 6 was allowed to happen after the forewarning and the authorization of the guard by Trump days before ..... the failure by the Overseer Pelosi and ilk and the Capitol Police to do their job and not provide adequate security for the Capitol is their responsibility... not Trumps... they failed .... no excuse. The blood of murdered Ashley Babbitt is on their hands...
     
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    Two of the quotes above you have attributed to me ARE NOT my quotes. Please refrain from abusing the PF quote function in the future.

    The quotes attributed to me are not mine and should have been quoted like this.


     
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    "Official records back Miller and Patel.

    —Referring to Miller and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley, Pentagon timelines state that on Jan. 3 at 5:30 p.m.: “A/SD and CJCS meet with the President. President concurs in activation of the DCNG to support law enforcement.”

    —“Later that afternoon Mr. Miller and Gen. Milley met with President Trump, who concurred in the activation of DCNG to support law enforcement,” reads page 77 of the Senate Staff Report on Jan 6.

    “He was looking at the broad threats against the United States and he brought this up on his own,” Miller told the Epoch Times. “We did not bring it up.”

    —Meanwhile, Speaker Pelosi, D-Calif., rejected Trump’s troop offer. U.S. Capitol Police’s official timeline says the Pentagon asked Jan. 2 whether “USCP [Capitol Police] is considering a request for National Guard soldiers for Jan. 6, 2021, event.” The next day, Deputy Chief Sean Gallagher replied that “a request for National Guard support is not forthcoming at this time after consultation with COP [Capitol Police Chief Steven] Sund.”

    For her part, Bowser fretted that National Guardsmen might stir “confusion among residents and visitors.” So, the mayor blocked them from the District of Columbia. Bowser wrote the Pentagon and Justice Department on Jan. 5:

    To be clear, the District of Columbia is not requesting other federal law enforcement personnel and discourages any additional deployment without immediate notification to, and consultation with, MPD [the Metropolitan Police Department] if such plans are underway."
    https://www.dailysignal.com/2022/08/05/trumps-pre-jan-6-actions-demolish-democrats-coup-fantasies/

    Any troops to be deployed at the Capital mist come from THE CAPITAL and for DC the Mayor. And the riot started while Trump was still speaking and by the time he got back to the WH both the Capital police who had finally gotten approval to request the NG and the Mayor had issued their request and the wheels were in motion. There was NOTHING for the President to do he has no role in such domestic law enforcement.
     
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    Not should but is in charge, and it is common knowledge to everybody around Washington DC except for maybe a few deniers and of course the low information folks who don't know either way. Can you explain why the president cannot go to the Capitol to deliver a state of the union address let alone send in the DC Guard without an invitation by congressional leaders?
     
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    elimination of our meager safety net has been the goal of conservatives since the new deal and the great society. this is well known by us, and any of them who do not know it are lying or misinformed of the basics of their movement and ideology.

    any discussion of social security or medicare on the forum quickly attracts the "private sector would be better," the "unconstitutional" and the "commie socialist" replies from the usual suspects.
     
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    I sure have difficulty proving common knowledge things to you. Obama's killing of Medicare Advantage was known but not widely known as very few knew of everything that was in omnibus act known as Obamacare, which is how they planned it. It became known when Obama illegally changed the law by fiat when he found out that the law required him to mail the draconian changes he made to Advantage a couple of months before the 2012 election and he did not want to lose up to maybe tens of millions of votes. Then he illegally stole a few hundred million from a special HHS fund to make up the shortfall Obamacare would have without the planned savings from realized from eliminating Medicare Advantage. (Actually he did not eliminate it per se. He just made it prohibitive for anyone to purchase so it would die on its own.)

    If I told you that G.W. Bush and Al Gore were once candidates for the presidency would you demand proof? What might that proof be? Some internet link?????
     
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    The chain of command for the DC national guard is the DoD then Trump, not Pelosi or McConnell. This "timeline" is a complete bunk brought to you by Qnon. and you fell for it lock, stock, and barrel.

    Pelosi is not in charge for the national guard. The national guard, if activated by Trump, do not need permission from anyone. What they can and cannot do is limited to certain acts, such as the Posse Comitatus Act and the Insurrection Act. In both cases, the National Guard cannot do any military actions or law enforcement actions unless it is done by local or federal law enforcement. What they can do is provide manpower in a show of force in riot gear and defend themselves if attacked by protesters.
     
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    Official records don't Blues. Never have and never will. Trump's own DoD Chief has disptuted these claims and no record has been shown otherwise. All you have is Trump "tweeting" about it or making false claims like he always does. Even his own daughter, under testimony disputes this and stated that her Father did nothing at all that day.
     
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    "Common knowledge?" Forbes disagrees with you. It was supposed to kill "Medicare Advantage," but it is doing better than what you expect. This website proves that claim.
     
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    if obama killed medicare advantage why can't i get joe namath and william shatner off of my tv screen?

    my wife has a medicare part d plan. they "give" her $100/ month or so in groceries and dental insurance.
     
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    Prior to Obamacare, Medicare Advantage plans were grossly overpaid, costing the taxpayers significantly more than traditional Medicare. Obamacare brought Medicare Advantage payments in line with what traditional Medicare costs. Despite GOP predictions that this would destroy the program, it obviously did not, as Medicare Advantage is now more popular than ever.
     
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