So When Do REPUBS IMPEACH BIDEN?

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  1. LangleyMan

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    The President can act anywhere in the United States according to the Insurrection Act. There is no sacred ground and no carve out for the Capitol.
    No, "they" didn't. The President can order out the DC National Guard through the DoD and the DC Metro Police through the DC Mayor. There is no requirement anyone consult with the Speaker of the House or the Senate Majority Leader.
     
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    Your own source says the President put it on others to request assistance. He failed to act.

    Read my sources about the Insurrection Act and the Posse Comitatus Act.
    All unsupported by sources--well, other than your rightwing fake news sources.
     
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    I understand both acts and both would have prohibited Trump from unilaterally sending the Guard to the Capitol, although the Insurrection ACT is a little vague. More prohibitively is the fundamental separation of powers precept which gives congressional leaders (Pelosi) sole and plenary power and authority over the Capitol grounds, and the executive branch has zero power or authority to do anything unilaterally with the Capitol grounds.

    You may be convinced that right wingers are only interested in defending Trump personally, and I may be convinced that left wingers are only interesting in purging Trump personally in any way they can. But neither expounds on the facts of the matter.
     
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    The DC Guard was not deployed into the city until after the Mayor gave her permission and invitation.
     
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    That is because Obama illegally changed the Obamacare law by fiat to stop the draconian effects it would have on Medicare Advantage when he found out he had to inform Medicare Advantage participants a couple of months before the 2012 election and he did not want to risk losing up to tens of million votes.
     
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    There was not one damn single solitary thing the president could do in the three hours you mention.
     
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    there were 700 DC Guard troops deployed that day. They were handling traffic in the DC area around the Capital Area.

    Any additional troops would have to be from the CNC, aka DJT, the President of the United States, and that did not happen. Pelosi is not the CNC, is she?
     
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    You don't seem to have a clue.
     
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    Presidents Eisenhower and Kennedy used the Insurrection Act without a request from state or local authorities. I think you're right about the Insurrection Act being vague.
    Normal circumstances, yes. The Capitol police are in charge.
    I'm referring to the forum crowd I've engaged on this issue and their unwillingness to look at the Insurrection Act and the Posse Comitatus Act. They shows signs of being propagandized.

    We don't have to like the power the President has to acknowledge it exists.
    Don't assume I'm saying all rightwingers are blind Trump followers.
     
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    You should actually read my posts before responding.
     
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    Nope, the overpayments to Medicare Advantage plans fell precipitously during the Obama years, as required by Obamacare.

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    You, too, should actually read my posts before replying.
     
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    What Alwayssa does not realize is mayor Browers already declined any more guards before hand. Documented and signed.
     
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    He could and should have been prepared to act through the DC Mayor and DoD to render assistance as needed. That means forces gather and ready to go. He may have been able to bring in DC Police in force, ASAP.
     
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    There were 700 DC Guard troops deployed by Trump (DoD) into the District that day because of the Mayor's invitation.
    What is a CNC??
     
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    The only assistance the president can provide in these circumstances is the DC Guard. Neither the DC Mayor nor the DoD can send out the Guard to the Capitol without Pelosi's invitation, and the Mayor can't ever dispatch the Guard to the Capitol. The president cannot direct the Metro Police to do squat
     
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    LOL, and you seem to be hooked on conspiracy theories. But the chain of command is to Trump ultimately, not Pelosi, per the law. Even look at the website for the DC National Guard. It says, "As such, the Commanding General of the D.C. National Guard is subordinate solely to the President of the United States. This authority to activate the D.C. National Guard has been delegated, by the President, to the Secretary of Defense and further delegated to the Secretary of the Army." This was the case on January 6, 2021.
     
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    that is not the case here. The President is the CNC for Active, Researve, and All National Guard. He just has to "federalize" them to activate them. Otherwise, the Governor is in control within that state and can ask assistance from other states if needed.
     
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    Bowser already declined any more assistance ahead of time.

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    First it was Pelosi. Since that is not working, now you are to the DC Mayor. The 700 troops was a request, not invitation. But you own words betray you because Trump authorized the troops to be deployed there, not Pelosi, McConnel, or whoever else you may want to try to include.

    Commander in Chief, the President of the United States per Article 2 of the US Constitution.
     
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    The letter you provided does not prove your claim at all. DC Metro Police are not under the control of Pelosi or McConnel. And it can act independently of the Mayor on their requests. But the DC Guard does not need their permission either. They can deploy and the DC Metro Police would accomodate if that was the case.
     
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    You have the chain of command and the authority to authorize the DC Guard down precisely. But you are missing the fact that nobody in the DC Guard's command can actually physically dispatch them to to the Capitol without Pelosi's explicit permission and invitation. Nor can they be dispatched to the city without the Mayor's explicit permission.
     
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    Neither Washington DC nor the Capitol is in a state.
     
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    It's really not rocket science. Neither the Mayor nor Pelosi can either authorize or dispatch any DC Guard, period. The president can authorize but cannot dispatch any DC Guard to Washington DC without the Mayor's explicit invitation (which equals request if you will), period. The president can authorize but cannot dispatch any DC Guard to the Capitol (which isn't in the city) without Pelosi's explicit permission (which equals invitation or request if you will), period.
     
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    Never said it was. Either read what I wrote or not read at all. Your choice.
     

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