So When Do REPUBS IMPEACH BIDEN?

President Donald Trump recently took the drastic step of sending thousands of National Guard troops to Washington, D.C. They were not sent to repel a foreign attack on the nation's capital but to mobilize against American citizens peacefully protesting the senseless killing of George Floyd. The Trump administration then deployed scores of unidentified federal law enforcement officers, many of them from the Department of Homeland Security, to Portland, Oregon, resulting in increased mayhem and injuries to nonviolent protesters.
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opini...-deploy-national-guard-u-s-cities-ncna1236034

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Pence — not Trump — asked Guard troops to help defend Capitol on Jan. 6, panel says
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...s-to-help-defend-capitol-on-jan-6-panel-says/

No evidence Pelosi ‘rejected’ Trump’s authorization for ‘20,000 National Guard’ before Jan. 6 attack
https://www.politifact.com/factchec...dence-pelosi-rejected-trumps-authorization-2/

Trump did not sign an order to deploy 20,000 troops on Jan. 6
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-trump-order-national-guard-156055113284

 

Maybe that should be a sign that they aren't actually "common knowledge."

Would you have trouble finding proof of that fact? Then, your not being able to offer anything but your own personal version of events, about Medicare Advantage, should tell you something. Especially, as when I have told you things that are, in fact, common knowledge, like that Trump ignored the attack on the Capitol on January 6th, for several hours, and offer you evidence of this, you still refuse to accept it.

What I had been trying to get from you, but you didn't say, was whether you thought that Medicare Advantage was now eliminated, or whether, in your version of events, the cavalry had ridden in and stopped this. That is because I just recently (Oct. 20) read an article in my local paper, about a federal prosecutors suing Cigna health insurance (which is based in CT, where I live), for submitting fraudulent claims, through its Medicare Advantage plans.
There had recently been a similar suit, against
Anthem. The article goes on to say: "Medicare Advantage enrollment has increased significantly in recent years. More than 28 million people are enrolled in a Medicare Advantage plan, comprising nearly half of the eligible Medicare population, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation."

On top of that, I see commercials on t.v. for Medicare Advantage, all the time. So you have a lot more people than just me, to whom you need prove that Medicare Advantage was eliminated, if that is what you're saying is "common knowledge."

 

I already did explain, this has to do with the Separation of Powers. The President is head of the Executive Branch. The House Speaker represents the Judicial Branch, "Article 1," of the Constitution. This separation is meant to prevent a President from becoming a dictator, by dismissing Congress, for example. It has nothing to do with physical "security."

Once again, if the things you are calling common knowledge, were indeed that, you would have no problem finding links to authenticating articles. So why not allow yourself, to correct your false ideas, and learn something new?


Edit: In charge of Capitol security, is the Capitol Police, headed by a Chief. The House Speaker is not responsible for commanding them. There are several Committees, however, with oversight responsibilities, to whom they report, on a periodic basis. Again, it is the Chief who is in charge of day to day operations.

https://www.uscp.gov/the-department/oversight

Your confusion probably comes because the Speaker is the boss of the Sergeant at Arms, who is responsible for maintaining order, in the House Chamber. This is not the same, as the security of the BUILDING.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Capitol_Police#:~:text=Pursuant to 2 U.S.C.,Police on July 23, 2021.

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The United States Capitol Police (USCP) is a federal law enforcement agency in the United States with nationwide jurisdiction charged with protecting the United States Congress within the District of Columbia and throughout the United States and its territories. It answers to the Capitol Police Board and is the only full-service federal law enforcement agency appointed by the legislative branch of the federal government of the United States.

 

Consider this article about Trump calling out the DC Metro Police and DC National Guard.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/dc-police-takeover-george-floyd/2020/06/02/856a9744-a4da-11ea-bb20-ebf0921f3bbd_story.html

The President doesn't need the approval of Congressional leaders to act.

 

I am not confused at all, but you seem to be. The Chief of the Capitol Police reports to an overseer board consisting of the two Sergeant at Arms and the Architect of the Capitol. The Chief is an ex-officio member of the board. One of the Sergeant at Arms is the chairman. Around Jan 6 this was the House's Sergeant who reports directly to Pelosi. Pelosi is the top person in charge of the Capitol Police and by extension the security of the Capitol grounds and of the congresspersons. The president, the military, the FBI, the Mayor, the metro police have no authority whatsoever (though some can assist and be involved when a congressperson is in their jurisdiction).

There is no better way for the president to dismiss congress than by sending in the DC Guard to drive them all out. That is why the president cannot do anything at the Capitol without permission and why Pelosi cannot do anything at the white house without permission, and neither can do anything at the Supreme Court without its permission.

I assume you meant to say Legislative branch, not Judicial branch..

 

Like two others you failed to read my post, too. I explicitly said just the opposite.

 

Nope.

"The Speaker Nancy Pelosi is responsible for the police officers on Capitol Hill!!" Carr said in an email. "On January 6th they was understaffed due to her lack of over site (sic). With the lack of personnel, the United States capitol was breached which should have never happened. Now she is in charge of the investigation of what happened on January 6th."

But that's wrong. The Capitol Police are overseen by a number of entities and individuals, none of whom are Pelosi.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...osi-isnt-in-charge-capitol-police/8082088002/

 

In some extreme circumstances the president can dispatch the Guard to cities (states) to preserve federal property. Under no circumstances can he dispatch any military to the Capitol without permission.

 

Extreme circumstances? You mean the peaceful protesters assembled in Lafayette Sq.?

"Under no circumstances can he dispatch any military to the Capitol without permission." Yet he did just that.

 

Damn this is getting tiresome. The Capitol Police report to an overseer board consisting of the two Sergeant at Arms and the Capitol architect. The Chief is an ex-officio member of the board. One of the Sergeant at Arms is the Chairman. In Jan 2021 this was the House's Sergeant who reported directly to Pelosi, which makes her the top dog and directly responsible for the Capitol Police and the security of the Capitol.

 

Republicans’ Shaky, No Evidence Attempt to Cast Blame on Pelosi for Jan. 6

House Republicans have sought to change the narrative on the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol by pro-Trump protesters, claiming that Speaker Nancy Pelosi is “ultimately responsible for the breakdown of security at the Capitol.”

But their arguments overstate the role of the House speaker in overseeing the security of the Capitol and rely on speculation about Pelosi’s involvement and knowledge about intelligence warnings for which they have not provided any proof.
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/07/r...ce-attempt-to-cast-blame-on-pelosi-for-jan-6/

 

See post # 636. Read it, absorb it, stop making false assertions.

 

The president, or the FBI, or the secret service can ask the DC Metro police for assistance anytime they want. As I said in another post the president can dispatch the Guard in extreme circumstances to cities (states) to preserve federal property or enforce federal law and he does not need the approval of congress. (In fact the president does not need congressional approval for dispatching any military anywhere.) The president cannot send any military or law enforcement for any reason whatsoever to the Capitol without Pelosi's explicit permission.

 

Yes, I'm having a simultaneous debate with Condor 060 over a judicial issue, so I misspoke. Obviously, I know that "Article 1" is the Legislative Branch of government.

The one thing there that I know to be true, is that the Sergeant at Arms, is under Pelosi; this because I offered you a link, stating that. But that article, said this was for maintaining order, within the House Chamber. Where did you get all your other information, that you, once again, merely explain, without the backing of any sources? If you can't tell me how you know, the things that you are asserting, I'm afraid I cannot put any stock in them, whatsoever. In fact, put yourself in my place. Someone tells you something, which is different from your own understanding. So you ask for their source; but time and again, they reply without providing supporting evidence, other than to continually tell you, that what they're saying, is "common knowledge." Is that argument going to change your mind?

 

The president, or the FBI, or the secret service can ask the DC Metro police for assistance anytime they want. As I said in another post the president can dispatch the Guard in extreme circumstances to cities (states) to preserve federal property or enforce federal law and he does not need the approval of congress. (In fact the president does not need congressional approval for dispatching any military anywhere.) The president cannot send any military or law enforcement for any reason whatsoever to the Capitol without Pelosi's explicit permission.

 

Then maybe you should just cite a source, if you can, which would be less doubtable than your unbacked assertions.

 

What peaceful protesters might they have been??? The ones burning down the church or the ones storming the white house???

 

Your post #636 says nothing at all about Pelosi being in charge or not in charge. It only talks about what the in charge Pelosi did or didn't do. If you want to accuse me of making false assertions, please find some.

 

Try another source that might be more explicit and complete.

 

The peaceful protesters in Lafayette Sq. as I already said.

 

The president is not responsible for the security of the Capitol building...The president authorizes the guard and the guard can not be deployed until requested onto Capitol property by the Capitol Police... if you think it is any other way then YOU are wrong..
For the president to send the guard without a request would be a military coup.... and boy would you folks not have a field day with that one...

Spin it anyway you can my liberal friend...

Pentagon documents and Capitol police documents show entries on both that the guard request was asked and denied between the two.

https://media.defense.gov/2021/Jan/...Y-6-2021-VIOLENT-ATTACK-AT-THE-US-CAPITOL.PDF

https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2022-06/USCPJan.6Timeline.pdf
Pentagon documents
https://media.defense.gov/2021/Jan/...Y-6-2021-VIOLENT-ATTACK-AT-THE-US-CAPITOL.PDF



Capitol documents...
https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2022-06/USCPJan.6Timeline.pdf

 

In a statement provided to FactCheck.org, Jane L. Campbell, president and CEO of the U.S. Capitol Historical Society, said: “The Speaker of the House does not oversee security of the U.S. Capitol, the Capitol Police Board does, and the Speaker does not oversee the Board. The Board consists of three voting members: the Senate Sergeant at Arms, the House Sergeant at Arms, and the Architect of the Capitol; together with one non-voting member, the Chief of the Capitol Police.”

To put names to those titles, on Jan. 6, the Capitol Police chief was Steven Sund; the House sergeant at arms was Paul Irving; the Senate sergeant at arms was Michael Stenger; and the architect of the Capitol was Brett Blanton. Sund, Irving and Stenger all resigned in the wake of the riot.

So how does Pelosi fit into all of this?

“The Speaker is involved in the appointment of the House Sergeant at Arms, who must be confirmed by the House,” Campbell explained. “The Senate Sergeant at Arms is chosen by the Senate. The Speaker also sits on the commission that recommends an Architect of the Capitol to the U.S. President. However, it is the President who appoints the Architect, who must be confirmed by the Senate.”

 

A search for Capitol Police should take you more than 10-15 seconds.

 

Here ya go..... being you don't seem to comprehend what it says.... So I identified the juicy parts are missing...

 

So you're saying Pelosi approved sending NG troops in to DC? Prove it. BTW, are you aware the Mayor of DC objected to Trump ordering NG troops from outside DC in to the city?

“The Speaker of the House does not oversee security of the U.S. Capitol, the Capitol Police Board does, and the Speaker does not oversee the Board. The Board consists of three voting members: the Senate Sergeant at Arms, the House Sergeant at Arms, and the Architect of the Capitol; together with one non-voting member, the Chief of the Capitol Police.”

DC mayor says she wants out-of-state troops ‘out of Washington’
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/04/politics/dc-mayor-federal-troops-floyd-protests/index.html

Who's permission did Trump receive?