So when Trump wins the popular vote on election day, but then Biden wins ...

It does not matter how many times you repeat this lie, it remains a lie.

You cannot name a single western democracy where the head of government is popularly elected.
UK? Nope.
Canada? Nope.
Germany? Nope.
Australia? Nope.
Norway? Sweeden? Nope.
Japan? Nope.
France? Nope.

 

Is there or was there a so-called a national vote that you know about? I don't think I mentioned something called a National vote here. Who mentioned a national vote to you?

 

No candidate can win by popular vote alone.

 

Glad you agree then, there is no national popular vote in this country.

 

No personal attack but claiming one is about all you got.

 

Cite the ruling where the SCOTUS selected Bush as President.

In the 2016 elections Trump won 30 popular votes Clinton 21 popular votes. Get your facts straight.

 

What's your point? We both know it can happen.

 

Is there some point you're making?

With my students, I spent fifteen minutes explaining the mechanics of the Electoral College and several days discussing the implications.

"Following the nationwide presidential election day, on the Tuesday after the first Monday of November, each state counts its popular votes according to that state's laws to designate presidential electors. In forty-eight states and D.C., the winner of the plurality of the statewide vote receives all of that state's electors; in Maine and Nebraska, two electors are assigned in this manner and the remaining electors are allocated based on the plurality of votes in each congressional district. States generally require electors to pledge to vote for that state's winner; to avoid faithless electors, most states have adopted various laws to enforce the elector's pledge. Each state's electors meet in their respective state capital on the first Monday after the second Wednesday of December to cast their votes. The results are counted by Congress, where they are tabulated in the first week of January before a joint meeting of the Senate and House of Representatives, presided over by the vice president, as president of the Senate. Should a majority of votes not be cast for a candidate, the House turns itself into a presidential election session, where one vote is assigned to each of the fifty states. The elected president and vice president are inaugurated on January 20."​

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College

Clear enough for you?

Trump winning in the Electoral College, losing the popular vote a second time, and then behaving as he has over the last 3 1/2 years will create a huge problem for the country.

 

Problem? What kind of problem could there be for legally being elected President of The United States of America? It happens every 4 years you know.

 

Yes, exactly what I have been explaining to you. There was no one national popular vote to win a majority of. There were 51 unique and separate elections and Trump won the majority in the majority of those and then the majority in the Electoral College and THAT is how you win the Presidency. Tallying up all those votes and declaring that a nationalnpopular vote is political and statistical folly, mere trivia and of no bearing asbit does not accurately reflect a national popular vote.

I don't need an explanation from you that is perfectly clear. YOU need a better one of how our our elections work.

Again you fallaciously claim there is a single nation popular vote. There were 51 of them. You win the Presidency by winning a certain majority of those that will give you a majority of electoral votes. THAT is how we elect Presidents. What you are teaching your students is doing them a disfavor and perhaps your supervisors should instruct you to stop and start teaching them how our system ACTUALLY works.

 

You're babbling. You can win the election if you win fewer states.

A lot of people believe the winner should win the popular vote. My point was that there may be big trouble if Trump wins again without winning the popular vote.

You may not like it, but people can count. They total up the popular vote in all the states.

No, you do not have to win a majority of the states (whatever a "certain majority" means) to win the election. You do, however, have to secure a majority of electors in those state votes of electors.

You should read the explanation I provided.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College

 

You don't have to win a majority of states, nor the popular vote. You need to get the most electoral votes.

If you want to change the constitution, all you need is 34 states to agree. That's how you get it done. There's literally no other way to change the way we elect a president.

 

Still waiting for your response

Name a single western democracy where the head of government is popularly elected.
UK? Nope.
Canada? Nope.
Germany? Nope.
Australia? Nope.
Norway? Sweeden? Nope.
Japan? Nope.
France? Nope.

Well?

 

Okay allow me to rephrase...The only nation other than Burma, Burundi, Estonia, India Trinidad, Madagascar and Vatican City that has an electoral college.

 

Change the constitution. That's the only way to get what you want. You just need to convince 34 states. You'll never convince 34 states by posting on a forum. Until you get that changed, there's no point arguing about it. It is what it is.

 

Good of you to admit you were completely wrong.

 

Define big trouble?
There will be a winner, always is, and he will take office regardless of hurt feelings. Maybe this time the winner will have a majority in both Houses and that should keep big trouble under control. All this scare crap about Trump won't leave office if he loses or there will be civil war if he wins is just bluster. Nobody should take such crap seriously but unfortunately way too many will because they have no idea how it works. It is a good system and was given to us by men who were a lot smarter than we have had a chance to vote for in a while now.

 

I said that's how Trump won it, by winning the majority of the vote in the majority of states getting the majority of the Electoral votes. You seem to like majorities............

Because they are being fallaciously taught that we have a national popular vote because they are being taught by teachers like you who do not properly teach how our government was founded and organized and how Presidents are elected.

Which is not a national popular vote nor an accurate reflection of what the results would be if we in fact did have one. You should perhaps refrain from teaching civics in your classes.

I'll grant that there are certainly formulas of winning a minority of states but that would be the rare occurrence. But again proving the fact the STATES elect the President and THAT is what you should be teaching your students not this fallacious nonsense about a national popular vote which does not exist.

What in it do you think refutes what I have said.

 

Why did you write, "Again you fallaciously claim there is a single nation popular vote. There were 51 of them. You win the Presidency by winning a certain majority of those that will give you a majority of electoral votes. THAT is how we elect Presidents." (see above)? You seem to have been confused about the process.

 

It is not I that has been claiming we have a national popular vote.............that is where is the confusion. And I even conceded that yes there could be paths to an EC win with a certain minority of States which only proves my point further. And campaigns are run and spend on the basis of the STATES and winning that certain combination of STATES which is usually going to be a majority of them. They don't concentrate and spend based on the shear number of votes nationally. They have to win STATES. Winning them is the ONLY path to the White House, the tallying of all the results of the 51 elections is of no importance to anything and mere trivia. It does NOT reflect what would be the results and a true national popular vote.

 

There is actually a total of votes, when you combine the individual elections. This number has been reported for decades, as trivia, nothing more. What value does this trivial statistic provide?

 

If Trump doesn't win the popular vote, it's highly unlikely Republicans will win the House.

Why are you talking about civil war?

Two elections of Trump where he loses the popular vote and then proceeds to pull more of the crap he pulled his first term would create an ongoing problem. I can easily see students refusing to repay loans.

 

You're making stuff up. You have no idea what students are taught.

You got it wrong and slander teachers. Are you really clueless enough to think teachers would give students misinformation about the Electoral College?

That's the way it works.

There is no national popular vote?

You won't like this...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/03/13/a-majority-of-americans-continue-to-favor-replacing-electoral-college-with-a-nationwide-popular-vote/





I told you people don't like the EC.

 

The basis for changing the way Presidents are elected.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact

 

What crap?

Remember where the electors come from? States? An extra two million or so voters in Los Angeles and NYC won't determine control of either House.