So WHY did God create Man and the Universe?

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  1. Gorn Captain

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    So in other words, my view of the Bible is invalid....because it's "my private opinion"

    Your view of the Bible IS valid ....because "it's objective truth".

    That about it?
     
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    Think of it this way. People don't often don't have the need to share anything. They do it out of the kindness of their heart.
     
  3. Incorporeal

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    Changing the goal posts? Where was 'objective truth' mentioned by me other than just now? My view of the 'Bible' is valid because I use 'spiritaul discernment'. You seemingly don't use 'spiritual discernment' but rather, physical testing, logical analysis, drawing conclusions based on laws of physics and other such man-made laws that pertain to the Earth and not in any way associated with 'spirituality'.
     
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    He wanted to give birth to Truth which required him, Reality, to unfold as its Father.
     
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    Pretty much the actual motivation behind His desire to create Truth.

    Truth, once created as Reality unfolded, could then be shared as a spiritual concept with men.
     
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    It is not so preposterous though, when one recognizes that the ancients just had first say in recognizing God as the Force behind the ever unfolding Reality.

    Moses realized that Fantasy Worlds are built upon lies or untruths.
    Reality, on the other hand, must correspond with Truth, one-to-one.

    The choice for man is to believe in lies and live, insanely, in Fantasy Worlds of their own making.
    Or, men can believe in Truth and live sanely in Reality.

    The Bible is merely telling us that Truth is the savior which was personified by Christ in 32AD.
    Even sheep herders can make sense on that argument.
    Right?
     
  7. cupid dave

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    If His "son" was Truth, (personified in 32AD: [John 14;6]), then He, (God), must be the unfolding Reality which sires Truth... and is also in the same image as Reality.
     
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    God, (Reality), feels jealousy against those who decide to live in Fantasy Worlds they invent and prefer.
     
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    You're welcome. If we are going to leave the layer of philosophy to go back to faith ...

    I prefer this passage
     
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    and you wonder why we mock :p
     
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    Wrong presumption again. You mock because you have not successfully disproved what I have stated.
     
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    I mock because you claim some special facility for differentiating "good head talk" from "bad head talk", without the slightest clue what that special facility actually is, how it works, where it resides, what controls it, how it is able to make clear distinctions, or how you know that it is itself, not a trick of the mind along the lines of self-congratulatory preening, etc etc etc.

    If a stranger walked up to you in the street and said "I used my Special Secret Invisible Tinfoil Radar Implant to discern that you have a pink unicorn floating just above your head", would you say to yourself "ah, such unimpeachable wisdom!", or "batsh.it crazy"?
     
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    You are anthropomorphizing a God?
     
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    is there any other way to view one? given the people who dreamed them up made them weak and fallible (jealousy, anger, etc), I would suggest it was ever thus.
     
  15. Incorporeal

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    More presumptions on your part. You sure enjoy making claims that you cannot support. Do you have the slightest clue of what goes on in my head? I'm not looking for opinions here, I would like to see some tangible proof regarding your claim about not a clue.

    Well considering that your scenario does not have any noticeable relevance to what we have been talking about, and considering that it is a hypothetical scenario, it would not make any difference at all what I thought about it or said about it. If that is what your imaginary person on the street wants to think (which by the way, is a creature of your mind), then that person is free to think whatever he/she wants to think, believe or say... it is only iimaginary... the scenario that is.
     
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    That the ignorant can make sense of a spurious and simplistic argument is hardly revelationary.

    The bible is merely attempting explain natural phenomena by supernatural means, because the writers were fundamental ingnorant of the natural processes within which they existed.

    They considered a specific supernatural being within which they invested the power to manifest any and all natural phenomena, each with a specific rationale to inform and direct them.

    It is the exact same process that communities have gone thru for millennia, regardless of their definition of the supernatural being they embraced.
     
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    God was created in man's image.
     
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    As a woman you ought appreciate Intuition more since it is so strong in females the Romans called it "Anima," of mind of women.

    It is strong in him, and a powerful force in religion, in general.
    The effect of this spirit in people has been useful in the struggle for sexual prudence against the hormonal effects of the Libido of teenagers who believed in god.

    Anima is access into the truth by sizing up the probability of events in some guess-manship way that often makes mother look way smarter than her logical husband.
     
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    Sort of right, but backwards.

    Truth was recognized, and it defined Reality for us.

    Truth is the light into the darkness of the future.
    That was what Christ meant when he said, "I, (Truth), am the light."
     
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    This question has been answered differently by most theist religions, but seldom directly. The judaic creation story repeatedly uses the phrase "and god saw it was good" so a simple answer is that he created everything because it was "good".

    Ultimate purpose is not explained by judaism, even indirectly, and any extrapolation is completely subjective.

    Primitive gods do not obey the basic demand you make for absolute omnipotence and omniscience. So all the creation stories from them must be thrown out to stay on topic.

    Non religious theist like deist or pantheist (with important distinctions) mostly think that the creator created out of a pure impulse. Creating is the basis of the nature of god in other words.
     
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    You confuse what has been said about the Bible with the people throughout history who have misinterpreted it.
    You do the same thing here with the matter of Myths.

    The fact are that we do come in a dozen different basic styles of "personality" which modern testing uses now on sites like eHarmony, for instance.

    These tests divide us into a dozen different types.
    They seem to be related to the dominance of the seven different archetypes in our Subconscious mind.
     
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    I have some disturbing news for you. An adolescent male seeking sexual gratification couldn't choose a better venue for finding a willing mate than his local Christian church. I know this from first-hand experience. Church girls are easy.

    In the first place, the young ladies' parents will trust you more than they should if you show up at their church every Sunday. The kicker though, in my opinion, is that the environment of agape love and brotherly/sisterly hugs in the church environment can quickly morph into erotic excitement in the back seat of a car parked at the local boat landing in the silvery moonlight after the worship services have ended.
     
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    All so true.

    But in 32AD, Christ appeared as the personified son-of-God.
    He was to be the image of God.
    He was to have been born out of the Father.

    Christ said, "I am the Truth,... the way and the life."

    Logically, that would mean God must be Reality, which does unfold and give birth to Truth in its own image.
    Hence the purpose of Reality was to create Truth.
     
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    Yes. The Bible is true.
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    Because the Bible says so.
     
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    Yes, that is so true.
    Two thirds, 2/3rds, of all Abortions in America are by daughters of Christians.

    These Christian parents who are fighting against abortion need only check out the sexual behaviors of their daughters.
    The girls do not intend to marry until age 26, in general, and will have 14 years before to be sexually amorous for zero rewards and mere sexual gratification.
     

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