So WHY did God create Man and the Universe?

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  1. truthmatters

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    I am very glad religion helps you feel whole.

    believe whatever you wish to believe.

    there is no proof for this theory of what reality is.

    Im the kind that needs proof.

    I CANT ( get that that means I can not pretend to believe what I cant believe) pretend its true.

    I see no reason to.

    More and more humans feel that way.

    go ahead and be yourself

    its fine with me.

    I just am allowed to state my beliefs and the facts that create them.

    Just like you get to tell us what YOU believe.
     
  2. Jonsa

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    I again have to disagree.

    For instance, there are many worlds that the creative and imaginitive can visit and explore and through sharing/expressing those experiences can provide substantive benefit to both individuals and society. Often, it can provide empowerment, spark contemplation or reconsideration, open up new vistas and avenues of exploration. Indeed, it is one of the most important attributes of being human in my opinion.

    As for tempting extinction, whenever this subject is broached it immediately calls to my mind a picture of the earth from LEO, where one can see not only its beauty but its fragility. Looking at how thin the blanket of atmosphere that sustains us actually is and its relation to the size of the earth let alone the size our of solar system, our galaxy and our universe tends to provide a sobering balance to our monumental egocentric totally human conceit.
     
  3. Casper

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    Because he has a sense of humor and we are very entertaining to watch, it is why children have ant farms.
     
  4. Incorporeal

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    What "phony"?
     
  5. Gorn Captain

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    Even that doesn't help.....it plays to "God was bored".....and a "perfect being" should not be bored.
     
  6. Casper

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    One does not have to be bored to enjoy good entertainment. Anyone that would put a playground right next to a toxic dump has to have a sense of humor.
     
  7. Gorn Captain

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    Said it before "matheism"....the idea of an "evil God" would be an interesting one to discuss.....would also be just as valid IN SOME WAYS to atheism.
     
  8. Hoosier8

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    I can only guess after reading some of these threads that he just had a sense of humor.
     
  9. Tram Law

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    For porn.

    That's why.

    The Bible is chock full of it.

    Or maybe, it should be more properly called erotica.
     
  10. cupid dave

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    So you doubt Truth exists and then Reality remains a mystery?
     
  11. cupid dave

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    True, of course.

    But the Fact remains that Reality will drive us to extinction,... unless we struggle to survive.
    And, that struggle MUST be to work to find Truth as the light into the dark future ahead.
     
  12. cupid dave

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    Isa 45:7 I, (reality), form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
     
  13. cupid dave

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    Nice places to play.
    Or great fiction to read,...

    BUT, we must actually live in Reality.

    We must develop Truth as the means to recognize it.
    And using fiction or playing games is only possible if we have controlled our behaviors such as to avoid consequences coming from the Facts-of-Life.
     
  14. cupid dave

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    Not exactly.

    Certain very successful societies have arisen only to be transformed sexually into matriarchies.
    They became weak because of Welfare type programs and illegitimacies that created poor citizen inside.
    Neighboring patriarchies often in poverty, attacked them and killed the people.
     
  15. cupid dave

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    Right.

    Clearly, "God create Man and the Universe" so Truth might be born out of the Reality which unfolds.

    1 In the beginning was the word (i.e.; Truth), and the word (i.e.; Truth) was with "God," (i.e.; Reality), and the word (Truth) was God (which is imaged by Truth).
     
  16. Gorn Captain

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    What do you mean "not exactly"? Since 1300 AD (your claim) we have had NUDE representations of men and women in art and scuplture....which you claimed led to sexual immorality?

    Are you saying "naked people" art was "okay"...as long as men ruled society???
     
  17. cupid dave

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    "Naked people in Art" does not appear in patriarchies, as you can see in Islam, for instance. (3)

    "Not exactly" was my response to your comment: "So basically....for over 700 years, we've been living in a world that you consider 'sexually immoral?"
    The sexual immorality began about 300 years before and was seen in the priesthood and even the Popes. (1)

    Starting around 1300AD, Art was revived and the full figures of naked people were suddenly re-appearing in Oil paintings and Sculpture in great abundance. (2)

    The point here is that for 1000 years of Christianity, nakedness in dress codes, oil painting, sculpture on walls, and all references to overt sexual presentations was repressed and not open to public discussion.

    Sex was something that two people did under the protection of marriage for the sake of kids that would be appearing.
     
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    You're contradicting yourself....I asked "So basically....for over 700 years, we've been living in a world that you consider "sexually immoral"???"...and you said "Not exactly"


    Now you're saying "Yes, society has been sexually immoral dating back to atleast the 14th Century if not earlier".

    So straight up, Dave, how LONG has Western society been sexuall immoral? Give me a date....ballpark.
     
  19. Goomba

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    God is the Creator; He thus creates.
     
  20. Gorn Captain

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    And "Don't ask 'Why'?"
     
  21. Woolley

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    First you have man, then you have God. We made God up to explain our world. We did it pretty thoroughly too, I think every single tribe, clan, civilization, nation and people made one up along the way. We might have made at least 10,000 Gods over the years. I think the real question is "how many Gods can we make up to explain what science is telling us in spite of religion?"

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    Really? I missed the lecture on bacteria from Jesus. He seemed to forget to tell us that rats carry the plague
     
  22. Tram Law

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    Any strongly held belief can be treated like a religion.
     
  23. Goomba

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    You are essentially asking why the Creator creates.

    It's like asking why man thinks.
     
  24. Gorn Captain

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    No, it's like asking a Baker why they bake? Or a Cyclist why they ride a bicycle?
     
  25. Goomba

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    No, because the baker chose to be a baker, and the cyclist chose to be a cyclist.

    So the baker bakes because he either likes it, or needs to do it for financial reasons.
     

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