So you thought the Russian issue was over

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  1. Sandy Shanks

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    The Russian question is far from over, and the indictment handed down by the Department of Justice is as important for what it did not say as compared to what it did say.

    The New York Times reports, "The special counsel investigating Russia’s interference in the 2016 presidential election charged 13 Russian nationals and three Russian organizations on Friday with illegally trying to disrupt the American political process, including efforts designed to boost the presidential candidacy of Donald Trump and hurt that of his opponent, Hillary Clinton.

    "The indictment represents the first charges by the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, for meddling in the 2016 presidential election — the fundamental crime that he was assigned to investigate.

    "In a 37-page indictment filed in United States District Court, Mr. Mueller said that the 13 individuals have conspired since 2014 to violate laws that prohibit foreigners from spending money to influence federal elections in the United States."

    “The nature of the scheme was the defendants took extraordinary steps to make it appear that they were ordinary American political activists,” Rod J. Rosenstein, the deputy attorney general overseeing Mueller’s inquiry, stated.

    What is remarkable is that maybe for the first time ever an indictment declared some interested parties innocent of wrongdoing. Some of the Russians, posing as Americans and working on what was dubbed “the Translator Project,” “communicated with unwitting individuals associated with the Trump campaign and other political activists.”

    Unwitting? Is this indictment doing the job of the judge and jury? It would seem so. That is a very odd statement coming from the Republican DOJ. Is it an attempt to protect the Republican President?

    The Times continued. The indictment cites a series of political advertisements paid for by the Russians, all of them against Mrs. Clinton and in favor of Mr. Trump.

    Rosenstein said repeatedly that the indictment does not allege that the Russian operation changed the outcome of the Presidential election.

    Then the indictment went on to declare who it was not indicting. “There is no allegation in this indictment that any American had any knowledge,” Rosenstein said.

    Those indictments by Mueller are reserved for the future.

    However, the indictment does say, "That location became one of the ORGANIZATION's operational hubs from which Defendants and other co-conspirators carried out their activities to interfere in the U.S. political system, including the 2016 U.S. presidential election."

    Who might those "co-conspirators" be? Anyone wish to hazard a guess?

    As is his custom, in reaction to the indictments, Trump told multiple lies in a tweet. He wrote, "Russia started their anti-US campaign in 2014, long before I announced that I would run for President. The results of the election were not impacted. The Trump campaign did nothing wrong - no collusion!"

    The first sentence overlooks what the indictment did say about the purpose of the campaign. That is, and I quote, "... political advertisements paid for by the Russians, all of them against Mrs. Clinton and in favor of Mr. Trump."

    The indictment did not deal with the impact of the Russian campaign and did not conclude the Trump campaign was innocent of collusion. Au contraire, it suggested the very opposite.
     
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    The sentence in paragraph #10!is cut off do you know what the end of it says?
     
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    Trump, 'As long as I'm in the clear, no sweat. who gives a ---- if the Russians attacked our country and meddled with our election process? No collusion! No collusion! I'm in the clear! That's all that counts.'
     
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    The entire meme was a scam from start to ending. If the 'Justice' dept applied the same efforts, the same staffing and the same money to an effort to investigate anyone up to and including Mother Theresa, they would 'find' crimes and issue indictments...

    No, the 'Russian Collusion' story was simply fantasy, cost a fortune, confused the feeble minded, and produced a fantasy world where the big bad president was going to be removed from office.

    That was simply a leftist mind fart and had no basis in reality...

    I am certain the few sentient devotes of the scam are at their local bars trying to convince themselves it will all be OK...
     
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    All paras in the OP are complete.
     
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    I am sure that is what he mutters to himself. It would be quite typical for him.

    I have faith. There will be a reckoning.

    He is on vacation again. Vacations are a weekly thing with him.
     
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    do you have that quote or did you make it up?
     
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    You are basing all that on what? Your a**hole?

    You have no idea what the four Congressional investigations have found. In an effort to protect the Republican President, the Republican committees aren't saying a thing.

    You have no idea what Mueller has. He isn't talking, either ... yet.

    So tell us, what do you know no one else knows? What are your sources for this mysterious information?

    Or, was your post simply B.S. and you have no idea what you are talking about?
     
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    What has been left out of the story, and I'm sure is the reason why Mueller is wrapping it up, is that the DoJ's Inspector General is near making their report public VERY SOON.

    To refresh your memory. the IG was investigating the Clinton email investigation by the FBI and found several FBI people with an ax to grind about Trump, with the same people later working for Mueller. We were only fed some info that explained why Mueller let several go, but surely there's a whole bunch of crap coming down soon and Mueller is trying to save face indicting some Russians as he shuts down.

    In fact, the FBI has known about Russians trying to influence our elections for decades.

    Steve
     
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    Trump fans here are actually convinced that this exonerates Trump as they cannot see the forest for the trees. Sad that they have such limited logic skills. Mueller just killed Trump's "hoax" "witch hunt" narratives and confirmed that there was/is a conspiracy and now will proceed to go after the other conspirators. Mueller's indictments was a very well timed strategic move at this juncture.
     
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    The indictment declared:

    -That no American wittingly cooperated with Russia
    -That Russian operatives supported Sanders
    -That Russian operatives staged anti-Trump rallies together with pro-Trump rallies
    -That Putin's goal was wrecking havoc to the democratic election process in the US
    -That Russia's meddling had no effect on the outcome of the election.

    Turning this into "Trump colluded with Russians" would be kind of difficult (as in impossible) after the admissions above, don't you think? LOL

    Oh and there is an unindicted conspirator too, the American left and MSM who all acted like useful idiots that they are, played perfectly to Putin's tune and happily participated in disrupting democratic processes in the US.
     
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    Well it is since the investigation is about Trump.
     
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    that marks 19 arrests from this investigation
     
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    No kidding.

    Mueller can get this crap out of the way and concentrate on the REAL Crimes:

    Trump's Money Laundering and Obstruction of Justice.
     
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    You may need to just repeat that to yourself over and over a lot of times to start really believing it.
     
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    Another Harvard University debate team member amongst us I see...:rolleyes:
     
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    If you believe what I quoted, the same response applies. It's BS and you can either admit it or push it as truth. The choice is yours.
     
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    When a poster has zero to argue the points they are responding to, they come up with a nothing response such as yours was. I call 'em as I see 'em.
     
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    It's not a quote. Check the punctuation.
     
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    Rosenstein said it himself and the text is in the OP. Do I need to repeat or did you not read the OP? He stated that no Americans were involved. If you want my take on his words, he was not just saying Trump had nothing to do with it. He was also trying to protect those who the judiciary committee seem convinced are guilty as hell for the dossier, colluding with Russians to build the fake dossier, and using it against a presidential candidate's team. Rosenstein took a beating before the judiciary committee for that exact thing so his statement on this sounds like he's giving Trump his out that he would have ended up getting at some point anyway, while also trying to protect the DOJ and FBi folks who have gotten so much attention for their own actions.
     
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    By 2016, some of the IRA-controlled groups and accounts had hundreds or thousands of online followers. Trump personally thanked one of the more popular Russian-operated Twitter accounts, @TEN_GOP. On several occasions, Donald Trump Jr. retweeted the account, which attracted more than 100,000 followers.
     
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    He stated that no Americans were involved

    He did NOT say that

    There is no allegation in this indictment that any American had any knowledge
     
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    He in celebrating POTUS day..
     
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    What I do know is that no one indicted has had anything at all to do with Russian Collusion....what do you have besides wishful thinking and a leftest wet dream?
     
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    NO NO NO NO and NO Rsenstein said that in this indictment says that no American was a KNOWING participant......
     

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