So Zimmerman couldn't just talk to Trayvon? (Common Sense discussion inside)

How could he not want confrontation when he followed the kid?

He could've gave lip service from his truck. or when trayvon asked him "why are you following me?"

All he said was something llke "I'm not following you" but kept follwinng him anyway...

 

Followed to see where he went, not to confront. This was a question on the voice stress test.

NW says not to, but just to observe. Thus when TM gave him the stare down and circled his vehicle GZ rolled up the window.

There was no more following after they talked - that doesn't make sense. According to Dee Dee GZ's words were "‘Wha’ you doin’ aroun’ here?’" To me that answers TM's question, letting him know that he was following to keep an eye on someone he deemed suspicious. At that point it appears that TM was done talking and deciding to commit assault. GZ from that was point on was left just pleading for help.

 

GZ had no reason to fabricate this with the dispatcher. Circle is just a colloquialism for arcing around. Of course he did.

 

He was living with his father at the time, so he had permission.

His mother kicked him out, but guess what, his mother did not live in the neighborhood his father did. They were divorced. You are claiming he was tresspassing because he was kicked out by someone who did not even own a house in the neighborhood. He had his father's permission to stay there, this is according to his father after the shooting.

 

In fact, Zimmerman later told police that the confrontation took place after he got out of the car to track Martin after losing sight of him.

 

So we know he lied with he claimed he did not leave his vehicle until Martin came up and was circling his truck and threatening him.

 

Ran off past his vehicle - circled past. GZ told the truth.

 

He never said he didn't leave his vehicle. That is absurd. Have no idea where you are getting your info but you need a better source.

 

This is really still a conversation?

This has lost so much public support its funny. No one believes Treyvon was an innocent little kid anymore. Was at a comedy club last week and he even had a sketch about it.

Not to mention the ridiculous premise of this thread.

Why couldn't Treyvon just talk to Zimmerman? If Zimmerman wanted to shoot him he would have before a confrontation.

Can we take this board down yet?

 

cite that he lived there. What I understand was that he was visiting his father's girlfriend...............could be wrong about that, but pretty sure he was visiting......

 

cite and source that they had any conversation at all.................

 

Here is text from Dee Dee's interview with the prosecutor:
BDLR: And what do you hear Trayvon saying?
Dee Dee: “Why you followin’ me for?”
BDLR: “Why you following me for?”
Dee Dee: Yeah.
BDLR: And then what happened?
Dee Dee: I hear this, ya know, man… it wa’ like a ol’ man…
BDLR: OK.
Dee Dee: …say, ‘Wha’ you doin’ aroun’ here?’

GZ's testimony is similar. You wouldn't expect them to remember the words exactly the same. You can pull up the video of GZ's walkthrough for example and hear how he recalls it.

 

he claimed that he did not leave his vehicle until Martin starting circling it harrassing him, which never happened. He got out of his truck and followed Martin on foot before Martin ever even said a word to him.

 

George's testimony? Now that is a lie because he never testified.............he never took the stand

 

In his reenactment, Zimmerman retraces his steps that night while being videoed. I posted a link to that earlier.

His account has him (Z) in his car when he sees Martin by a house kind of loitering on the grass. Z drove past and Martin was just looking around and staring at Z.

Z drove past M to toward 'clubhouse' then sees Martin again but keeps going to the clubhouse where he parks. He calls NE, stops and Martin walks past him staring at him.

Dispatcher asks 'where did he go?' Z says he didn't know because Martin cut past him and went down another street out of his sight. Dispatcher wants to know which direction Martin went, Dispatcher says can you get to somewhere where you'll see him. Z says yeah I can and backed out.

Z turns right down the street where he saw Martin go and parked down the street. Z says he saw him walking on the dog path then cut back through the houses. Then Martin comes back and circles Z's car, he tells Dispatcher that. Z says Martin's hand was in his waistband.

Dispatcher asks where Z is and Z can't remember the name of the street. Dispatcher needs address. Then Z gets out to look for a street sign. Still on the phone with NE he embarks on the dog path towards the cross street and a house with an address.

Z gets to a T in the dog path. Tells Dispatcher 'he's not even here' Z continues down the dog path to the street to get address.

Dispatcher asks 'are you following him?' Z says yes because he is in the general area anyway. Dispatcher says "We don't need you to do that" Z says "OK" but continues a short distance to identify the house address and street just ahead.

Z then starts to walk back. At a T in the dogwalk Z looks again to see if he can see Martin but doesn't see anything. As he passes the T he hears a voice from behind him saying "Yo you got a problem?" Z turns around and says "No I don't have a problem man." (Martin was about 8 to 10 feet away walking towards Z)

Z went to go grab his cell phone (he left it in a different pocket) then looked down at his pocket then Martin says: "Well you got a problem now" Z says "Then he was here" (right in front of Z) and Z says 'he punched me in the face'.

The rest is on the video in the link I supplied. At what point is Z supposed to be lying? If anyone has any evidence please provide a link.

NOTE: I did not include some of the conversations where NE is asking Z if he wanted a cop to come.

Watch it yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VakGZgJxTi4

 

Try the You Tube vid I just posted. That is what the jury saw.

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That explanation lacks crucial details. See my blow-by-blow post above.

 

Speaking of this, they should DNA test the new baby of Brandi and Tracys, just to see if its really his. If there is a chance its Trayvons, well thats got to be worth something.

 

He gave a deposition, which is testimony:

"The testimony of a party or witness in a civil or criminal proceeding taken before trial, usually in an attorney's office."

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/deposition

 

GZ didn't say anything about harrassing. Why the need to make stuff up? TM circled past GZ's vehicle and then ran off. After the dispatcher asked where TM ran off GZ got out of the vehicle.

Of course it did. We have the live recording with the dispatcher of the event.

Yep. That is exactly what GZ said happened.

 

It never happened because Zimmerman later changed the story and denied he never even said it, claiming that he has never changed his story.

http://www.newser.com/story/145424/zimmerman-trayvon-martin-circled-my-car.html

There's also fact that he claimed martin had covered his mouth with his hand, contridicting the claim that it was he who was screaming for help.


Then there is the claim that he did not speak to Martin at all before he was attacked, but Martin's girlfriend who it is known was on the phone with him at the time thanks to phone records, testified that Martin told her he was being followed by a "creepy ass cracker", and that she heard Martin ask someone who he was and why he was following him, and then heard another person say "I'm not following you".

 

most excellent. Finally the truth..............that's what I've been asking for. Thanks [MENTION=22863]RPA1[/MENTION]