So Zimmerman couldn't just talk to Trayvon? (Common Sense discussion inside)

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  1. RPA1

    RPA1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The link you provided has a link to the transcript.

    ....Z: "Yeah, now he's coming towards me."
    ....D: "OK"
    ....Z: "He's got his hand in his waistband."

    You are correct that the transcript does not show Z mentioning Martin circled his car however, why is that important? Martin could have circled Z's car but Z just didn't mention it to the Dispatcher.

    If Martin had actually been successful and strangling Z then Z would be the dead one. Apparently, Z was able to fight Martin off and yell.

    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html

    The publisher of the transcript (Mother Jones) makes an attempt to paint Z as a racist with their sideline notes however, the whole conversation is pretty close to Z's reenactment.
     
  2. 4Horsemen

    4Horsemen Banned

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    Being a cooler head I will put myself in Zimmerman shoes as an example......
    ****Disclaimer, the language will be harsh but funny Mods, so don't ban me, I'm trying to make my point here:

    4HZimmy: "ay boy! where you going?"
    TM: "F You! cracka!"
    4HZimmy: "I might be a cracka but I got a job, you out here stealing"
    TM: "F YOU!! Cracka!"
    4HZimmy: "That's awesome, you gonna be F'd up when the Cops come too, thief!"
    TM: "I bet you won't get out that truck and say that to my face"
    4HZimmy: "I'm a grown ass Man boy!, I ain't got time to tussle with you, I let the Cops do the dirty work"
    TM "You a sissy!"
    4HZimmy: "A sissy with a job and Police on the way boy!"
    TM "yada yada,,yada"
    4HZimmy: "yada,yadda...yada"

    UNTIL THE COPS COME.

    IF Zimmerman was any kind of a MAN, being 28 years old and all. YOU'd Think, he would have the mental marbles to stay out of the mix of violence at all costs., but he chose not to. He chose to exit his vehicle and escalate the matter resulting in a kid dead, and him catching whiplash looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life.

    Was it really worth it, Zimmerman supporters?
     
  3. stjames1_53

    stjames1_53 Banned

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    I thought "common sense inside" meant common sense..................go figure............ guess you're redefining common sense for the rest of us.
     
  4. RPA1

    RPA1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That could have been if Martin wouldn't have rushed up and sucker-punched Zimmerman.
     
  5. Pardy

    Pardy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What might have provoked Martin?

    Was Zimmerman justified in pursuing Martin?

    Was Zimmerman justified in choosing to shoot Martin?

    Did Martin have a duty to run home and hide?
     
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    Pardy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Talking is for sissies. Zimmerman had a gun and he used it. That'll teach Martin for walking.
     
  7. Oldyoungin

    Oldyoungin Well-Known Member

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    Yawn 3 years later and we still have to inform people about the assault Martin committed. But keep on pretending as if he was just "walking" ... worked out well for you and others during the trial. :wink:
     
  8. Whaler17

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    So you claim that Zimmerman claimed to have known what Martin was thinking? :rolleyes:
     
  9. Whaler17

    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    Well we now know that Martin was a racist, he may have attacked because of his hatred for "white" people or "crackas" as he called them.
    Zimmerman was walking in public space in his own neighborhood, he had a right to follow anyone he wanted to follow in the public space. Zimmerman was clearly justified in shooting Martin if Martin had him pinned down beating on him, as the evidence suggested he did.

    What else ya got?

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    "walking"? Is that what you call pinning someone down and pummeling their face?
     
  10. Whaler17

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    Your premise is badly flawed. The actual conversation went something like:

    Martin: Why you following me
    Zimmerman: um..I (interrupted by a punch to the nose by Martin and an immediate jumping on Zimmerman pinning him down and beating on him)
    Marin: You gonna die today MFer.

    No time to exchange pleasantries , Martin attacked immediately.
     
  11. Pardy

    Pardy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sorry, but the cold, hard truth is that Trayvon Martin was harmlessly walking while Zimmerman called for the police to come. If Zimmerman's aggression caused a fight to ensue then don't complain to me.
     
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    Pardy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes. George Zimmerman called for the police because Trayvon Martin was walking.

    Here is what Zimmerman complained about, in his own words: "he's just walking around, looking about."
     
  13. Oldyoungin

    Oldyoungin Well-Known Member

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    Don't need to complain , the law and jury has confirmed the truth . The conspiracy theorist here carry no weight .
     
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    You're the one doing the complaining pal. The rest of us are delighted with the outcome all round.
     
  15. Pardy

    Pardy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I didn't mention any conspiracy.

    I simply mentioned the fact that George Zimmerman asked for the police to come because Trayvon Martin was walking. Yes, walking.

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    Racists love the verdict. Why wouldn't they?
     
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    Oldyoungin Well-Known Member

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    Yeah George is a weirdo, If martin would never have punched or assaulted Zimmerman I would agree with murder and all of that. Martin got really unlucky stumbling across Zimmerman.
     
  17. JavisBeason

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    No, racists hate the verdict and refuse to accept it. This was never about race. I support the verdict because it went to a fair trial and a verdict. Was reached.

    Guilty or not guilty did not matter because it was proven.

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    I did not agree with OJ or Anthony, or Michael Jackson, but i accepted the verdicts.
     
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    When in doubt, call your detractors a racist so you don't actually have to answer the tough points
     
  19. Pardy

    Pardy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I agree that George Zimmerman is a weirdo. Watching and following kids at night is weird enough for me.

    I also agree that Martin got really unlucky stumbling across Zimmerman. He'd be alive today if Zimmerman hadn't seen him.
     
  20. Oldyoungin

    Oldyoungin Well-Known Member

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    Probably so. George obviously had/has some issues ... god knows why anyone would call the police 50 + times .
     
  21. JavisBeason

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    He'd also be alive had he not felony assault and battered Zimmerman .....

    Out of both Zimmerman and trayvon, trayvon was the only one doing something illegal.

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    He was observant in a area with a raecent rash of crime
     
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    Oldyoungin Well-Known Member

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    Idk , listening to his transcripts and the bulk of calls , he seemed obsessed . Many have nothing to do at all with black or white poeple , some are about open garages and (*)(*)(*)(*). Weird dude .
     
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    My understanding was that he not only called for himself, but that others would contact him and he would forward their information so that was a number of his calls. He obviously enjoyed the whole NW thing. It was his hobby and he would have loved to make it a career.
     
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    No he didn't. If he was stalking and had an intended victim, he would have been convicted of murder. There was a FAIR trial and it is over. They found him not guilty. Get over it.
     
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    You missed the point totally. I was explaining what Zimmerman could have done from an adult POV. He's 28 friggin' yrs. old!!!

    He chose a completely immature route, don't you agree?
     

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