Social Security is on the brink of demise--sadly

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  1. pjohns

    pjohns Well-Known Member

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    If you can post without the the insults (and I find it very difficult to take seriously any people who rely upon these; it is usually a strong indicator that they have no truly compelling arguments), I would just suggest that you read Suicide of the West. Jonah Goldberg--its author--is far more intellectual than I am.

    Or, in fact, than most people are.
     
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    Wait. Insults? You mean the part about thinking a little bit? If so, I was trying to say it isn't hard to see my point. Sorry if it came across and insulting. Or was it something else?
     
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    I think that the final paragraph--and especially the last half of it (the part about my being "confused" and "misinformed")--should qualify.

    I am more than happy to discuss anything--in a dispassionate and cerebral manner.

    But I do not much care for the passionate and the visceral, in political/philosophical discussions.
     
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    Understood. But it is an objective fact that most people are confused by the propaganda that they don't believe they've been subjected to, and then they talk about socialism being state control of industry which never was Marx's description of socialism, and they talk about the collapse of communist societies that never existed. And all because they are confused by the propaganda. After all, you did say "Socialism, as he points out, is really a political system--not an economic system" and that isn't at all true. See what I'm saying?
     
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    Perhaps there is a distinction--which you may not be making--between the theories of Das Kapital (or even The Communist Manifesto) and Marxism as it has historically been practiced.

    Although I do not care for either--to say the very least--I am not much concerned about simple theories that, in their purest form, never see the light of day.
     
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    But Marxism as it has been "practiced" is not a strict science. Marx provided the most detailed, in-depth analysis of capitalism ever produced. He didn't ever way how socialism should be pursued. Most people don't know that, and that is yet another aspect of the propaganda we've been fed. Hence, Marx and Marxism cannot logically be blamed for strategies that developed on how to create a socialist society. All we can say is that those strategies not only failed, but were highly objectionable for many reasons.
     
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    Socialism has been used in Asia, South America, Mexico, and Europe. Hybrid capitalism-socialism governments are working in Europe now.

    US uses socialistic systems: police and fire departments, public school districts, city and state highway and road departments, and so forth.

    Marxism and democracy are best described as governing systems.

    Socialism and capitalism are best described as economic systems.
     
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    And just how would you like to see Marxism implemented?

    Would you like to see the abolition of all private property?

    Would you like to see an all-powerful state (to which the people must submit)?

    Or what?
     

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