Socialist Lies (and the truths of the dangers of Socialism) - Thread

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  1. dairyair

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    So 1 option, the one you want them to take is work more, spend less time with family. Didn't you say 1 has 5 children? And that is the better option? Maybe to you, but others may prefer family 1st. Is choosing family a wrong option? Who would look after those 5?
     
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    Speaking of going off on tangents. Stop it.
    Now we know why you won't answer questions.
     
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    No tangent. You're complaining but offered no solution. Why?
     
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    I wouldn't have thought that the majority of taxpayers want their tax going to people so they can spend time with their family. I favour helping those to get into work and the benefit payments reduce as they earn and work more. These are just two cases where they play the system. I would imagine most taxpayers would agree.

    Do you support their actions?
     
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    i would need to know them as individuals if family is important and if present day finances is the reason today and if they eill upgrade their situation when it becomes financialfinancially viable. I certainly can't fault a mother of 5.
    I do agree the system does trap some into that scenario
     
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    The current welfare system in the UK means many are better off remaining on benefits, to some extent, rather than take more hours on or earn a greater wage. The guy can have more money, I mean, many object the minimum wage is too low, so shouldn't he have a taken a pay increase for the last 3 years?

    Have none to 200 kids if you want, they shouldn't expect the state to fund their choice.
     
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    Same as usa. But imo, its not many, but some. And imo, that will forever be the case with most all systems. Its always some line in the sand.

    The employer can simply just give him the raise. But perhaps the employer values him too much and doesn't want to risk losing him but can't cover the welfare loss with a raise so simply complies with his employees wish to skip raise. I see both playing the system, how about you? The employer gets to pay lower wages.

    I also think very few have kids just to raid welfare. But the number that do will never be 0.
     
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    Both are playing the system.

    This is the flaw with Socialism. On paper, it looks and sounds fantastic. In reality, people are not honest or they have a much lower moral standard and sidestep the systems intentions.

    When you were on the council house waiting list, if you had a kid and were single, you by-passed everyone and went straight into a council house. The intention was to help vunerable single female mothers and toddlers. You got it, the single lasses went out and got pupped. It was rife.
     
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    Socialism ignores reality, it's based on dreams. It needs and expects honesty.

    Say green curtains are rare and there are none in the shops. The government will pay $100 a month to those owning and and hanging a pair of green curtains. Just like me and thousands of others, we'll be in the queue at the local colour dye shop buying green dye. The Socialism dream and intention was to help green curtain owning people.
     
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    A small flaw. There is no flawless system . ever .
     
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    Socialism doesn't work because it says you don't have to.
     
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    People, people, people, it's 2018, I hate to see modern ignorance lose your way...

    I think you mean, Socialists want Capitalists to pay for them.
    Conservative is a political stand point, Socialism is a system.
    Socialism is part of a Command Economy where the state is responsible for even more.

    I say this while I'm getting used by the system as an agency worker who's umbrella company (an 'umbrella company' is UK English for a company in the UK's Pay Roll Industry where our capitalistic ways have laws against having a monopoly so, many, many different umbrella companies in this industry here) - that I think cheats me out of national health payments or something so when the state retires me, I get less.


    I have an agent, but I'm not working in entertainment...

    I wonder how much my agent is taking, for real, before paying some umbrella company on my sterling to pay me.
     
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