Socioeconomic Researcher

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  1. JakeJ

    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The OPer's stances are predictable. He has a theory based upon the measure of society is environmental. His proof? None, it is just asserted. He then takes the stance that any other perspective is irrelevant to his own essentially asserting his proof is his declaration of his theory.

    Has he presented any reasoning or proof that his measure is the correct one? No, not at all. He just asserts it as self proving declarations.

    In fact, there are hundreds, thousands, of ways to measure success and failure of society. A measurement is only that, a measurement and nothing else. In short, really all the OPer is saying that the measure HE prefers is that of his OP. Nothing really to debate about that as it is just his declaring his own personal top priority social value. If that he is view, it is his view.

    If the OPer is further claiming his measurement is in fact the top best measurement? It is his burden to prove it. He hasn't.

    I suspect the Best measurement of a society is combination of both the level of happiness by those in the society and the survival of the society. For example, possibly a person could prove that Hawaiians were exceptionally happy until Europeans came along, but then their society was decimated making it ultimately a failure.

    The same for technology and environmentalism. Nuclear power as the energy source may be presented as a superior society for lack of greenhouse gases - until it melts down killing nearly a million people and rendering the region uninhabitable for which the best suddenly became the worst.

    This is another way of saying the OPer's opinion is juvenile simplistic and why I speculated as to the personal natures of the OPer. It is just academia PC zippy pinheadism in my opinion, just a collection words of no real-world value, but could make a great college paper in a sociology, cultural anthropology or pol-sci class.
     
  2. Gaius_Marius

    Gaius_Marius Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I see that you have issues with some of Abram Jones' opening remarks. Start a thread and mention him so you can discuss it there.
    My comment was directed at PolakPotrafi... I'll add you to the racist list I guess since you seem to identify with the tag.

    People should be allowed to introduce themselves with their opinions without people jumping them immediately in their introduction thread.
     
  3. PolakPotrafi

    PolakPotrafi Banned

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    This fits with IQ scores, PISA scores, and literacy rates though.

    Those who are more intelligent, are seen as more productive to businesses, thus will be invested in more soundly.

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    How can nations with IQ scores about 70 like Africa produce a lot of skilled labor?

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    There's no dumb Black jokes, like there are dumb Polak jokes.

    If there were dumb Black jokes, I'm sure Liberals would be foaming at the mouth.

    But, dumb Polak jokes are more, or less accepted.
     
  4. PolakPotrafi

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    Those Black populations were colonized longer than much of Africa, and still have high murder rates, and have produced very little intellect.

    Now Serbia, and Armenia are impoverished largely from Communism, but they're intellectual contributions to Humanity have been pretty decent.
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    Remember Nikola Tesla the best inventor was a Serb.

    What's the Black equivalent of Tesla?
     
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    The living standards of Black Americans is actually high on a global scale, because they're within American society, which pays off.

    However, not a single Eastern European country has a murder rate as high as African Americans.

    If we go by PISA scores which test education knowledge, it's only Albania, Macedonia, and Montenegro which score lower PISA scores than African Americans.

    But, then again those countries are genetically much like Southern Europeans, and have a lot of E1b1b haplogroup shared with East Africa, and North Africa.
     
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    You should be an entrepreneur because very little people will be able to help. Just by searching through this forum alone. I have spotted allot of BS and confusion among the incoherent and the youth. I have yet to see "an open mind".

    ! thing though. You're a socio-economist. This
    "Often people judge nations by morality, though these judgments are usually erroneous or misguided at best, while others judge by economic success, which is often the result of manipulation or oppression of others."

    contradicts this
    "I am most interested in the knowledge of making economies efficient and societies healthy"

    you cannot have an efficient economy without
    - morality
    - economic success

    because they literally translate into
    " high technological advancement and educational achievement in comparison to low resource usage, as well as social health."


    how much sleep have you had in the past couple of years?
     
  7. Abram Jones

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    No silly, that is not an evasive response. I was pointing out that you misinterpreted my original post, and therefore your judgement on the original post is misled by default.

    What you fail to understand is that my method does take into consideration dozens of of factors. The several general standards I mentioned have many deeper subsets. For instance, to calculate standard of living alone there are many measurements required.

    Firstly, these analogies are not compatible with each other. The first example was not preventable because of geopolitical circumstance, the second is preventable. I'm not implying I am for nuclear power here, I'm just pointing this out. Secondly, my idea does take into account survival of the society, just not in the extreme manner your example does, because you seem to ignore the impossibility of some situations.

    This is simply a matter of you not comprehending the substance of my posts. I am not who you think I am in anyway shape or form, I am not even saying what you have interpreted me as saying, as I pointed out to you previously.
     
  8. Abram Jones

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    PolakPotrafi, can I ask a favor of you? That you quit posting like you have a learning disability. I can deal with the fact that the content of your responses are of terrible quality as I am used to such things from the majority of people online. But this double posting to the same person (me) and incessant double spacing is really annoying and quite spammy.

    The reason why there is less intelligence in Africa is because their resources go towards foreign economies and the corrupt powers in Africa that are supported by the foreign economies. First these resources need to go to education, and then there will be more societies there worth investing in. This is a very simple concept. Do you fail to acknowledge the fact that African economies are exploited for cheap resources and labor? If you refuse to make yourself aware of this situation you have deliberately reached a plateau in knowledge. Culturally speaking, Africans have plenty of work ethic to building economically strong societies. The upper class in Africa also highly intelligent.


    This is just stupid. You are telling me there are no jokes that are derogatory toward black behavior and intelligence? It's points like this that make you barely qualified to type.

    The wealth of these countries is very new, on the contrary Serbia has been within the realm of the industrial revolution shortly after the eras beginning. It's things like this you fail to notice. Also, these countries are much smaller than Serbia, they haven't had time or resources to produce the type of scientific intellect Serbia has. Nonetheless, they still have a higher standard of living than Serbia, which shows intelligence as well as a beneficial geopolitical situation.

    I have already explained this to you. Serbia was still within the geopolitical realm of the industrial revolution. Africa was exploited before it could reach this crucial phase in growth. Countries do not arise to technological power by themselves. technological innovation comes from a complex web of connections, usually international.

    Of course, we are dealing with a clear socioeconomic situation here. There are certain negative cultural trends that have been established in a large segment of black American culture. Eastern Europe is much more of a traditional society and better behaved. Likewise, black Americans who hold on to their traditional values are much better behaved than the ones that don't. Also, black Americans who are suburbanites are much better behaved. For this and other reasons we can clearly see the sociological aspect in this behavior.

    Okay, so here we have another instance of blacks intellectually outperforming people who aren't as black as you'd call it :nana:
     
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    I think this is largely Liberal propaganda.

    The companies bring jobs, and tax base into Africa.

    Oh, the horror. LOL
     
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    There's no widespread jokes pushing Blacks as having inferior intelligence, like there is for Polish.

    But,, there are facts of the low Black IQ scores.

    However, that's not even widespread, as it's not taught in academia, like it should be.
     
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    There's been a lot of Black Americans within the U.S.A, who've been within the industrial revolution realm, and they haven't produced much intellectually either, even in present times after they've had their rights.

    Whites, and Asians in the U.S.A have simply produced much more intellectually to the U.S.A than Blacks have.
     
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    Sure, African Americans have a higher standard of living than Serbia, because they live in American society. duh.

    But, Serbia still manages to have higher IQ scores, and PISA scores than African Americans.

    This Black equality thing, is truly a load of rubbish.
     
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    Rich Blacks are more likely to go to jail than poor Whites are.

    Prince George's County, Maryland, a high income, low poverty rate, Black majority county still has a high murder rate, above the national average.

    So, suburban Blacks aren't as well behaved as you'd think.
     
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    Black Americans have way higher incomes, better nutrition, and education than Albania.

    It's actually quite surprising that Black Americans score lower PISA scores than most 2nd World countries, which tend to have worse conditions.

    So, what?

    Why do Blacks who have better conditions still fall behind intellectually, considering they shouldn't if they were equal.

    I think intellectually honest people know that Black equality is a load of nonsense.
     
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    It can be used as liberal propaganda (anything, true or not, can be used as propaganda by anyone), but it is simple economics (I am definitely not a liberal by the way). Companies (of all races) exploit labor/resources in many countries in Africa, Asia, and South/Central America. Africa gets the worst of it. The high ratio of resource/labor exploitation to benefits is appalling. So much so that you even suggesting that foreign companies have been a benefit to Africa shows you have no idea what you're talking about and fail to grasp the simplest of economic concepts.
     
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    It's a pleasure to meet you, Abram. I'm looking forward to reading your posts and learning from you.
     
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    Oh if only it were true!
     
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    Good heavens, Greataxe! We agree.
    I think I need to lie down.
     
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    Hi Abram,
    Your comments about the exploitation of Africa is spot on, I was born and raised there and have seen it first hand. Welcome to the forum :)
     
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    I've never seen a newbie thread reach 7 pages! :eyepopping: Mine didn't even reach 1 page. [​IMG]

    Actually I've just remembered that it only reached one Welcome! [​IMG]
     
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    he is saying the white companies bring jobs to Africa to civilize them from being hunter gatherers to factory slaves, as they do with other poorer asian and south american countries.

    your argument of technological advancement does the same, the hunter gatherer pursues happiness the same as the economist.

    you want to take the hunter gatherers freedom away, and make him into an economist to pursue what you think is the right way to be happy.
     
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    The solution is easy. I will give you a picture of something to research.
     

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    Again, you're putting words into my mouth based on your own crazy delusions (very, extremely crazy and dangerous delusions). Here is the situation: Most of Africa is manipulated by foreign economies/governments in alliance with many of those in power in Africa. Here is what I want to do: stop the manipulation and offer practical investments into the region. No one needs to accept and utilize the investments if they don't want. Secondly, do you know anything about Africa? You sound extremely ignorant. Most Africans I met want to further their education, and have better work ethic than a typical American. The educated African is just as intelligent as anyone else.
     
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    George Washington Carver, I would think. Look him up. He has about as many patents to his credit as Tesla in the field of chemistry and is a major cause of the South's agricultural Renaissance in the 1930's
     
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    the bush men in Africa who never had much contact with the western world appear to be happy without this 'education'.

    but if you insist on dangling this fruit of investment to further your dream of a technological world, it is not much different than the manipulation they already experience by foreign governments and those in power in their own countries.
     

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