Someone is watching you - so behave yourself

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  1. ARDY

    ARDY Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Someone is watching you - so behave yourself

    There is psychological research on how people’s behavior changes when they think no one is watching vs when someone is watching.

    here is the link
    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/someone-is-watching-you---so-behave-yourself/article1391847/

    Basically, the result is that people (children) routinely cheat if they think no one is watching Them play a difficult game.... but the children behave themselves if you postulate that an invisible princess is sitting in a chair watching How they play the game.

    I guess this is not an astounding finding, is it? So, what’s the point? Well, just to observe that it is socially useful for people to think that someone (god) is watching what they do and will inevitably judge them for their misbehavior.

    obviously I am not claiming this proves anything about god. Only that if there were no god, it would be socially useful to invent an all powerful god who see’s all we do and punishes our misbehavior

    it is kind of an obvious thought, I guess. But still worth consideration. The fact is that everything about our concept of “god” coincidental Turns out to be useful to us in constructing our society.. the idea of god would be useful even if there were not really a god.

    In that case, what can we say about people who say there is no god... these people are inadvertently undermining all of the socially useful elements of belief in god...which makes them to be pretty unpleasant people

     
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    This is just too damned hilarious! I once dated a gal who had the naughtiest lying little 10 year old brat you could ever imagine, due to primarily her parenting negligence. So before we started dating I told her when it comes to taking care of the kids bad habits, if she dumps it in my lap, I am God, what I say goes, any disagreement she may have gets discussed outside the hearing range or knowledge of the kid. Well things started getting dumped in my lap, and the kid would tell his story (lies), and I would look at him straight in the eye and say chief thats not the way it happened is it? He'd look at me with a weird look and I would commence to telling him the way things really happened where he would sheepishly admit I was correct. I told him that when you become an adult you get third eye thats in the sky that watches everything he does so all he is going to do is get himself in even bigger trouble because I know the truth and punishments will be doubled if he lies. Well combined with some real parenting attention that brought the kid around from D's, F's, being expelled all the time looked down upon by all the other students except his partners in crime, up to mostly A's some B's and the soccer team leader in one short year and I never laid so much as one finger on that kid and he only needed to be mildly admonished for discipline, like taking away his toys and the like. The woman now jealous challenged my Godliness in front of the kid at which point everything stopped and she was on her own. Anyway your thread brought back fond memories, the woman turned out to be bipolar and refused to take any meds so it goes without saying I kicked her ass to the curb shortly thereafter, and as I was packing up her x made it a point to drive 50 miles to stop over and shake my hand for turning his kid around. Unfortunately the real loser in the deal, the kid went back to his negative behavior, but at least he had a glimpse of the happiness that can be possible in life. Thats my story and Im stickin to it! lol
     
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    What do you think the 10 commandments and god are? They're man made for the purpose of keeping all the sheep behaving and for the shepherds to make money.
     
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    I suppose the advantage is that you could potentially be forgiven by the victim(s) of broken commandments, where as today our state gods having made punishment a profit center, along with massive advertising schemes rest assured you wont ever be forgiven even after serving your term and paying all penalties. Gotta love those skimming middlemen!
     
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    Your argument only makes sense if you assume we always mentally remain children. You also must be assuming that there are no other influence besides this imaginary princess that could get the children to behave . . . otherwise the social utility you propose for belief in God would be on shaky ground.
     
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    Also, seems like a good time to bring up Kohlberg's stages of moral development:



    The "someone is watching" belief would quickly lose utility as people aged and matured. So . . . a better example of social utility would be Santa Claus -- a temporary "someone is watching" that we let people grow out of.
     
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    yeh as adults people move up to the 7th stage; surveillance cams on every corner as a more permanent solution and then as your video states get marching orders forced upon us from the headmaster. Great life!
     
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    So I assume some years have gone by. Did you ever learn how the kid ended up? You say he reverted, but I wonder if your efforts had some benefit in the long run.
     
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    Someone either didn't watch the video or didn't understand it. Let me know which.
     
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    Why do you say that? Humans are limited, and life is infinite. There needs to be perimeters and rules in one’s life if man is expected to elevate himself, lest he becomes like an animal who’s only here for pleasure.
     
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    Then they should be good rules and not terrible ones. Don't murder? Cool. Don't steal? Got it. Don't commit adultery? Sure. Or else we'll murder you? Wait, what? And don't say anything bad about God . . . or we'll murder you? **** no.
     
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    Truth supersedes morality.

    There are no “good” or “bad” rules. There are simply rules, and all that matters is whether you yourself believe that you are guilty of bending or breaking them. Indeed, only God- the all-knowing, knows what is good or bad.
     
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    You are free to believe that. I have no interest in that delusion. Murdering children is wrong. Period. Murdering people for believing the "wrong" think is wrong. Period. Anyone who has trouble understanding that needs to consult a mental health professional.
     
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    How “free thinking” of you.
     
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    Advocating infanticide isn't "thinking." I prefer reason and basic human compassion. Also . . . you are here defending the morality of killing people for believing the wrong thing. No one buys that you care about "free thought."
     
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    Evidence, please.
     
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    1 Samuel 15.
     
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    Oh, I get it. You’re looking at it from a completely ego perspective.
     
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    Did you just hit keys randomly? Where did you pull that nonsense from? Hell, I don't even believe the ego is real, just an illusion. No, I'm looking at it completely from a moral perspective.
     
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    So what if you don’t believe in it? You’re clearly manifesting it here. Your “moral perspective” is based on human conditioning. It has nothing to do with Absolute Truth.
     
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    You can believe that murdering an infant is "Absolute Truth" all you like, based on your own conditioning. So what if you believe in it?

    If you think it is "clearly manifesting . . . ego perspective" to show basic human compassion (which develops naturally, by the way), then you either don't know what "ego perspective" is or you don't know what compassion is.
     
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    You are lying if you think you can know with 100 percent accuracy whether anything is truly good or bad. Your human mind is unable to do that given its limitations.
     
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    To those individuals assigned to listen, watch or read me - Pay attention. This assignment is a wonderful blessing.
    Pay close attention to the integrity between what I say and do. You are in a unique position to refine exactly who is and isn't worthy of emulation. May God continue to bless you.
    Sincerely, Your subject, if just for the day,
    Jim you-know-who.
     
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    I can say with 100 percent accuracy that it would be bad to walk up to a random child on the street, rape them, then strangle them to death. No doubt in my mind. Anyone who says they are in doubt of that fact needs to consult a psychologist. They are likely a psychopath.
     
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    Then you are not yet ready to submit to Truth.
     
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