Something For Atheists to Consider

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  1. Your Best Friend

    Your Best Friend Well-Known Member

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    https://www.thesun.co.uk/living/212...ans-have-souls-which-can-live-on-after-death/
    A soul that transcends the temporal body...a contention of all religions since the dawn of time and believed by philosophers and brilliant minds throughout history.
    Now credible scientists using quantum physics endorse the idea. Will this make some atheists angry and livid?

    Of course it will. The very idea will threaten them and the notion there is more to life than just a binary alive or dead choice will cause
    them to reconsider everything....actually most will not consider anything that doesn't conform to what they already believe
    and the idea they may not know everything will not settle well at all if past experience is any indicator.
     
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    Frank Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    C'mon, YBF.

    Just below this piece is another that begins,

    Dear Diedra,

    My penis is so big, I'm worried local girls just use me for one-night stands... and it's now wrecking my life.


    Do you really want to link to that bunch of garbage?
     
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    You're right! I'm now convinced that there are magical invisible sky deities and the like, and that when we die, these beings turn us into supernatural entities.

    I'm going to become religious IMMEDIATELY, and believe with all my heart. Just as soon as I can locate my nearest Hindu temple.
     
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    Atheists are the best whistlers on earth. For they have so much time devoted in whistling past grave yards.

    Look, I do not care what people believe. Whether they believe there is something that is a creator, or if there isn't one. But what I have a hard time with are exclamations of certainty from either side. For neither actually know the truth of this question, period. And both exhibit the greatest arrogance in claiming that they do know, as they lie through their teeth so arrogantly. This is what is detestable.

    I have an opinion on the issue, but am intellectually honesty enough to say it is a mere opinion, and I could be wrong. You will not see that from the atheist nor the religious believer. So what they think is moot. Not worth listening to, unless you love listening to arrogant dip(*)(*)(*)(*)s.
     
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    Brought to you by The Sun part of News International,owned by Rupert Murdoch,who also owns that renowned truthful organisation Fox News.
     
  6. Frank

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    Not sure why you directed this comment to me, but here is my take on this issue (which I have shared many times here in the forum):

    I do not know if there is a GOD or if there are gods;
    I do not know if there are no gods;
    I see no reason to suspect gods CANNOT EXIST;
    I see no reason to suspect that gods MUST EXIST...that they are needed to explain existence;
    I do not see enough unambiguous evidence upon which to base a meaningful guess in either direction...

    ...so I don't.
     
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    I think atheists have more "certainty" on their side since no one has ever proven there is a god or gods....not a tidbit of evidence...something made up by humans.....

    Although I feel your pain, I find it ridiculous to be "certain" there are only two choices......
     
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    many Atheists also believe in a after life... what they do not believe in is a jealous God or any God for that matter

    in fact Christians only disbelieve in one less God then Atheists do, why do they think all the other Gods are not real? why do they think their God that goes by the name "Jealous" is the real one?

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    I guess you could say the same thing about atoms...or other galaxies...or a round Earth...or the sun not actually circling the Earth...or...well, you get the idea.

    Assertions or "beliefs" that there are no gods...are of no greater value than assertions or "beliefs" that there are.

    They are two sides of one coin.
     
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    There is proof of atoms, galaxies, a round earth, etc., those who are certain that there are gods or a god come to a conclusion with no proof.

    ....and their belief has caused more damage than any non-believers.
     
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    there is proof of those things, lol, there is no proof the bible is not a myth though, it's fine if you believe it, just saying that comparison is faulty
     
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    "Faith" is a concept Atheists can not wrap their heads around. So my thought is "if you don't believe" then that's fine. I'll live with my belief and you live with your non-belief. Now wasn't that simple enough.
    My only issue with the Atheist minority population is how they can't leave traditions alone. Why do they feel the need to mandate their non-belief on the vast majority of believers? Seriously, "In God we trust" printed on US Currency is a big deal? Why?
     
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    Because the US government is suppose to be neutral on the subject of there being a god or not.
     
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    let me ask you this, how about we print "In No God we trust" on our money... now you see the problem

    gov should remain neutral

    ....
     
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    Why would any atheist be bothered by this? lol...

    Most atheists I know have very open minds to the idea of energy and matter... and they certainly believe in the law of thermodyamics. What they don't believe in is religion and the made up gods created under such institutions.
     
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    You guys made my point. It's a BIG freakin deal to you Atheists! I (for one) have never been able to understand why atheists have so much passion for a "Non-belief." I've always found that quite bewildering? :???:
     
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    Which atheist said it was a big deal? And IF ONE did say it was a big deal that does not mean it is a big deal to all atheists.

    You did know that atheists, unlike the religious, think for themselves and the ONLY thing they have in common is no belief in a god or gods....
     
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    Your "simple enough" solution may well be simple enough.

    But, then you say it ISN'T simple enough!!

    I really doubt you think the saying on coinage is your big issue.

    I think you own more explanation.
     
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    Hey Man, no need to turn it around. I simply think that athiests make a big deal over nothing when it comes to this subject. I just stated my opinion. Take it for what it's worth. :wink:
     
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    lol, you know you would freak if a President changed it to "In No God we trust"

    i think gov should remain neutral, put neither on our money, no reason Christians should be honoring the money God anyways.. isn't that a sin?

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    So, you're arguing against it even though you don't care??

    Today, America is moving from manufacturing to high tech, information, innovation as forming our competitive direction vs. the rest of the world (the 95%). Corporations are requiring more technical education even in manufacturing.

    Yet, today we have the push from theism to teach religion in science class - at a time when we already have insufficient time in science class for science.

    We also have the general national direction of theism to discount science in our decision making processes. Look at the "science" leadership committees in congress!!


    This is an issue that is affecting our national competitiveness and is harming our domestic decision making process.

    Sorry, but I don't see this as a :wink: issue.
     
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    I was already aware of quantum vibrations in microtubules of the brain. That's what this soul idea is based on.

    But I've already heard a similar theory before orch-or theory of consciousness and this may indeed be the same thing. The problem is that they can't prove it. We are not advanced enough to back up these ideas with proof.

    So it's all up in the air regarding what comes after death. I'm an atheist, I don't expect to meet God after I die. I don't think about it. And while these theories are interesting to read about, it doesn't change my stance because we lack information about what really happens.
     
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    An Atheist claims that there is insufficient evidence for deities, supernatural forces and therefore if this is proven and is then considered a theory then it enters the realm of science inasmuch as living after death but wouldn't prove any other claim such as deities or demons or devils or miracles. Even speaking to the souls if possible would be only be hearsay evidence on its own no better than if the reader came forward and said they saw an angel or demon etc.

    The energy form would be then a scientific theory and part of natural order.
     
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    The complaint of atheists, of which I assume you are one, is there is no science to back up
    the idea of an afterlife. Well, now there is.
    You can't dismiss it with tales of the guy with the big penis.
     
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    This is precisely the sort of thought free mockery I expected when I posted this. And that's precisely why, despite self claiming the mantle of being the intelligent guys (despite zero scientific evidence to back their view), the non God, or anti afterlife people as I prefer to call them, have no intellectual credibility at all.

    It takes no brains to say no. Just a self delusional supreme belief in their religion of no religion.
    atheists are
     
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