Sorry Liberals, But The Nazis Were Progressive Leftists

The real “big lie” is the creator of the concept of a big lie was somehow “right-wing.” The simple truth is every single despotic totalitarian is a left-winger. Under the umbrella of “progressive” lives socialism, communism and fascism. But to hide the reality of what their ideological brethren have committed, Democrats lie and say monsters like Mao, Stalin and Hitler were of the right. This is impossible.

There’s a very simple way to think about this: think of political philosophy as a line with a right and left direction. One side wants a government that does more, that grows in size and scope, and the other wants one with a shrinking, smaller government doing less. Where do all of those “isms” fall on that spectrum? They all feature massive government taxing the hell out of everyone, mandating behavior and regulating lives. ..

…Ask yourself a basic question: Which seems more fascistic, writing mean things, no matter how nasty, online from your couch or arresting people who write mean things online from their couch and throwing them in prison? Then ask yourself which party in this country would love little more than doing the exact same thing. Your answer isn’t the “semi-fascists,” they’re the real thing.









https://townhall.com/columnists/derekhunter/2022/09/25/sorry-liberals-but-the-nazis-were-progressive-leftists-n2613552








The author is right. In this country we have the real fascist party and it’s far left fascist leader calling his domestic opposition “semi fascists”. The democrats have for generations tried to libel their domestic opposition with that label, their big lie.

 

All of the authoritarian isms are on the left side of the political spectrum.

 

Wrong, like most of the sources you like to quote, the present one has conflated political philosophies' to make a point.

 

This is just historically illiterate.

 

Actually, it’s exactly right. The author gets it and is exposing the lies of the secular progressive left that they use to smear their opposition.

 

No, he nailed your political philosophy to the wall for the big lie they try to smear us with. Biden and his regime are full on fascist, no semi about them.

 

History says otherwise. In fact, the Nazis used this whole "cultural Marxism" tactic themselves. They invented it.

 

Nope nazis were right wing sorry.

 

"Progressive leftists". Bi-coastal atheists too?

 

The Nazis were national socialists. They different with communists over nationalism or internationalism but both are socialist collectives.

 

Flying the Trump freak flag high and proud .

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The author has committed the typical Logical Fallacy of Inference from a Label. There are no despotic rulers that are "left wingers". Despotism is despotism = fascism = autocracy = tyranny, period. Labeling any form of tyranny as "socialism", "communism", "liberal", "leftist", or "progressive" is a fallacy.

Left-leaning (progressive, reformist) rhetoric is the means by which "revolutionary" tyrants typically appeal to a progressive/reform-minded population who are tired of established, oppressive regimes. Such populations are ripe for change, which can put them in a vulnerable position. If they're not careful they will become the subjects of those who promise to "save" them & the nation. So personal ideologies of any would-be tyrant mean nothing. What matters is how many supporters can they gain, and how to gain them. They just have to use the right words---particularly words that incite anger, hate & violence.

America is a bit unique in that one half wants European style progressive reforms, while the other half wants to return to antebellum America where the rule of law is arbitrarily dictated by and for white culture & wealth. Trump appeals to the latter half, while Sanders & Warren appeal to the former. And Biden appeals to those who accepted the necessity of first ousting Trump in order to return to "establishment normalcy" before more meaningful changes can be addressed.

From wiki:
Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.

This definition perfectly sums of both Trump and his MAGA cult base. In this regard, there are really very few differences between Hitler, Mussolini, and Trump. In fact, Trump resembles Mussolini more than Hitler. Mussolini was a clown and an embarrassment to Italy.

From wiki:
Left-wing politics describes the range of political ideologies that support and seek to achieve social equality and egalitarianism, often in opposition to social hierarchy. Left-wing politics typically involve a concern for those in society whom its adherents perceive as disadvantaged relative to others as well as a belief that there are unjustified inequalities that need to be reduced or abolished. According to emeritus professor of economics Barry Clark, left-wing supporters "claim that human development flourishes when individuals engage in cooperative, mutually respectful relations that can thrive only when excessive differences in status, power, and wealth are eliminate

In a monetary system, taxation is the currency by which the fruits of labor can effectively be distributed to benefit all. By contrast, in indigenous, money-less cultures, cooperation + sharing is the currency.

So there's nothing bad about high taxation. What's bad is when taxes are used to make rich people richer, which confers no benefit to society. Naturally then, liberal democracies of the world (particularly European & Nordic nations) that impose high taxes have the highest standards of living & contentment in the world. It's purely logical & practical too. These nations recognize that individual wealth only benefits the individual at the expense of the nation's revenue and the well-being of its people & natural resources.

In regards to the "size" of the government, the left and right are looking at taxation from a different perspective. For the left, a "bigger" govt means taxes are more effectively spent to benefit all without unnecessary harm to the environment. This would disarm corporate power/control, as well as dilute any concentration of power. The net effect would be a smaller govt and a more socialized economic framework. For the right, when they speak of a "smaller" govt, they are talking about deregulation of the corporate/banking sector, which would allow the latter to dominate & dictate our lives through both political and economic strategies. The net effect would be a bigger govt that becomes an increasing corporatocracy with increasing concentration of power, leading to eventual overt tyranny.

In simple terms, if any nation allows rich people to rule, they have doomed themselves.

Biden calls the MAGA mob "semi-fascists" because he understands they are mostly ignorant and delusional, and have no clue about the cult leader whom they blindly follow. He understands that none of them actually wants a fascist govt in which all people live under strict oppression (except those they hate), but they're unwittingly helping to bring about the emergence of fascism through their promotion & support of fascist individuals like tin-pot dictator Trump and others who think like him. If the MAGA mob succeeded in their half-ass coup attempt and Trump was given carte blanch of the nation's wealth & resources, the MAGA mob would be in for a very rude awakening. In a short period of time the corporations & uber wealthy class would be vying, like warlords, for ultimate control of the nation.

Biden is neither good nor bad. He's just a politician who follows traditional establishment politics & procedure, be it good or bad. Unlike Trump, he has no interest in taking over the nation, let alone in inciting riots and executing whistleblowers. Even evil Hillary conceded defeat in 2016 despite garnering the popular vote. If any election was stolen, it was certainly Hillary's after the electoral college rejected the people's choice for president.

 

Not that Jonah Goldberg revisionist again?!?!?

First, they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

Funny, but all of the ones "they" came for are to the left. The first concentration camp - Dachau, opened in 1933 - held thousands of the first three for years before the first yellow Star of David was forced on the Jews. Wake up and smell what you're shoveling...

 

the secular progressive left? like tory prime minister churchill, who knew exactly who the nazis are and why you must be fought?

 

Simpleton Repubs are ripe for clever demagogues, fascists, who they can easily manipulate.

They fill their brains with thought-terminating clichés, and what happens?

They vote for a guy like Donald Trump.

Here are the qualities of fascism, which definitely exist in Trum

Hyper-nationalism. Trump's nationalistic rhetoric in office is little changed from his first campaign. He promotes a view of America as unfairly victimized by foreigners and in need of renewal and purification from treasonous enemies within. He has occasionally indulged in saber-rattling toward North Korea and Iran.

Militarism. Despite the occasional saber-rattling, Trump's foreign policy is far from militaristic: He does not advocate war and conquest as a way to rejuvenate the nation. His intermittent habit of castigating China appears intended for domestic consumption, lately to distract attention from his pandemic response. But Trump has ramped up the militarization of homeland security agencies, using them first against immigrants and then against protesters.

Glorification of violence and readiness to use it in politics. Trump cheered on as Immigration and Customs Enforcement took at least 1,700 children from their parents and put them behind fences. His use of armed force against protesters earns him a new Benito, although on this crucial component of fascism, he falls well behind Benito Mussolini and especially Adolf Hitler, who unleashed illegal and deadly violence against their citizens on a far greater scale.

How fascist was Trump as a candidate?

Fetishization of youth. This has never been a feature of Trump's politics. Mussolini and Hitler were in early middle age when they came to power, making it easier for them to try to embody youthful vigor. Mussolini liked to be seen jogging with his entourage at the outset of public appearances. Trump, in his golden years, wisely does not try to play this card.

Fetishization of masculinity. Trump still tries to swagger and boast of his vigor and continues to mock his opponents as lacking stamina. But he is not urging men to exert authority over women and family anywhere close to the way authentic fascists did. Nor is he trying to confine women to the home and raise the birthrate.

Leader cult. Trump never tires of posing as the decisive man of action, a genius and savior of the nation. He extols his instincts above mere rationality. He would have the world believe he is strong, hard-working and devoted to the interests of the ordinary citizen. He takes credit for every favorable development and denies responsibility for everything else. He expects his appointees to lavish public praise upon him.

Lost-golden-age syndrome. Fascism was predicated on notions of victimization and lost national greatness that Il Duce or Der Führer alone could restore. Trump played this tune en route to the White House and has continued in office. Since the pandemic took hold, he has seemed more restrained about restoring greatness, perhaps aware that most people would happily settle for making America normal again. But much of his policy aims at turning back the clock to a time when White Americans were 85 percent of the population, when America was feared and respected abroad, and when coal and oil companies could make money without the hassles of federal regulations. Obsessed with a politics of nostalgia, he even signals sympathy for those whose mourned-for golden age is the Confederacy.

Self-definition by opposition. Fascists had no difficulty explaining what they were against: socialism, labor unions, democracy, traditional elites, foreigners — particularly those judged racial inferiors. Trump's peeves are central to his politics, just as rousing resentments is central to his popularity. His political essence is opposition — to immigration, the media, the swamp — even if in office he has (so far) persecuted his targets far less brutally than did authentic fascists.

Mass mobilization and mass party. Mussolini and Hitler built their own parties that enjoyed considerable popularity, and once in power, they enrolled millions of new members. Trump has with remarkable success suborned the Republican Party, making it his own. But he has shrunk it in the process, losing seats in Congress. 2016: 2; 2020: 1

Don’t compare Donald Trump to Adolf Hitler. It belittles Hitler.

Hierarchical party structure and tendency to purge the disloyal. Fascists in power tried to marginalize the party rank and file that carried them into office and purged anyone suspected of insufficient devotion to the leader. Trump, as president, has done little for the White working class that voted him into power. He has done his best to eliminate from positions of authority anyone but fawning supporters. His purges obviously lack the murderous violence of Hitler's Night of the Long Knives, but they may prove no less effective in quashing dissent in the GOP.

Theatricality. Fascists in power retained their fondness for rallies, parades, and dramatic claims of the biggest this and greatest that in history. Trump has, too. He hasn't been able to get all the parades and flyovers he's wanted, but he works hard for dramatic moments, even risking coronavirus infections among his supporters to stage events in Tulsa and at Mount Rushmore.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outl...023aca-e2fc-11ea-b69b-64f7b0477ed4_story.html

 

No they weren't.

 

No, the author is an idiot, who doesn't know the meaning of "Fascism." It is universally understood and accepted as fact, by experts and regular civilians alike, that Fascism is a manifestation of the hard Right.

 

christianity is a socialist collective. acts 2:43-45 is easily translated "from each according to ability, to each according to need."

 

It is pathetic how certain ideologues are so binary that they cannot see beyond the limitations of such thought.

 

Community would be a better term, related to common and commune.

 

Sorry Liberals, But The Nazis Were Progressive Leftists
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~ They have been resurrected in the Biden administration ... !❗️

 

The OP, and the linked article represent yet another textbook example of political Is a pattern emerging?

 

No matter how often you say this, you will still be wrong.

The Nazi form of fascism put the government right at the centre of everything. If your issue is authoritarianism I can tell you from second generation personal observation that this complete centralisation was NOT for redistribution , which is socialism.
It was for the glory of the Nazi German state, the production of arms the construction of concentration camps, the paltry compensation of Jewish business owners which was often a one way ticket out of Germany and the construction of the Nazi state including programmes for youth school propaganda and the payments to good Germans who supported the cause.

Let me put this straight to you.
SOCIALISM is the redistribution of funds via the state to the people according to need and general good.
Fascism is the redistribution of funds to the state for its own ends
And they decide what those are.

Now once and for all, please stop this endless effort to turn fascism into socialism via the simple conduit of centralisation. It isntcabout who controls the pursestrings, but what they do with it.
Money is also channelled through centralised government control in capitalist ceconomies, which is what your government treasury does. It happens in every economy which includes national taxation.
The labels are attached to how that money is spent.

And fascists spend it on itself, on nationalistic projects, on self sufficiency to reduce external trade, and in Nazi speak , on purifying the population.

Socialism spends it on the neediest on social projects, on opening up communities to diverse populations, on opening up trade and opportunities for all. It builds infrastructure, supports equal rights and tolerance.

Can we please stop this travesty of the desperate effort to make fascism acceptable and/or socialism as bad by equivocation of the two. It is like saying golf balls and space rockets are the same because they are both white.

 

As for Trump I don't think he is a fascist, but he leans in that direction. If he sees the country as a business, he will instinctively reinvest in his own business, the country, not for the general good but for growth of the company at the expense of the employees, the people.
While he doesn't dare discriminate openly, his off the record comments point to imposing his own preferences if and when he can.
Other comparisons between Trump and fascist tendencies are well described above.
But IMO the one big positive comparison is the removal of the possibility of a change in government.
You know the details.

 

And North Korea is a democratic republic...