South Australia powerless as wind generators don't work.

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  1. scarlet witch

    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    where do you live in Queensland, I'm way down the bottom on Port Philip bay, have antarctic blasts from the South pole... unless I walk around looking like a puffed penguin all winter.
     
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    no we live in the Hunter Valley, a little more milder climate I will say. I do understand some need more energy than others though
     
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    You alleged that solar and wind need 100% over capacity without given any support ergo it was nothing more than your personal opinion.

    Why would it take you "time and energy" to come with an opinion that you allege you have already "reasoned" unless you have not done so?

    No other power source needs 100% over capacity so what makes it a requirement for wind and solar?
     
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    This is what happens when you sell of your utilities. The politicians sell privatisation under the ruse that it will be more competitive, but that is a load of horse sh!t. No surprise. Idealistically, privatisation opens the pricing to the market, and theoretically that should drive prices down due to competition. Idealism. Foolishness would be a more appropriate word.

    There are a number of reasons for the high energy prices. The large scale push into solar has reduced consumption, and therefore costs are not distributed as effectively as they were foreseen. Then you have a high worldwide demand for the commodity, pushing costs up again, BUT, these are merely the hazards of business. In my opinion gauging is a more sinister reason for spiralling costs. Much like the banks, the energy companies are creating their own FAUX market in order to control the liability to the shareholder.

    It is not only the dithering Libs that are turning a blind eye to this but also the prostitutes of politics, Labor, as seen by the two previous Labor administrations.

    Privatisation of utilities is the biggest folly of any country. I know it costs a lot in resource for a government to run such things, and that the economics suggest that it is cost effective to privatise. BUT this is if you look at the situation as purely figures. If you look at the situation holistically it suggests a different analysis.
     
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    I do believe this to be a case of people demanding governments to be profitable when it is not what they are for. I must say, this is one area Howard change the focus of majority of Australians with a little help from Keating/Hawk with Telstra and Australia post.

    The truth is Private business can run these operations cheaper than government but while government does not have to rely of the return from the sales of the particular service or product as they bolster the losses with tax income the private sector is completely reliant on the return of product.

    It is truly false to suggest government will run these services cheaper or more efficient because the true cost is carried across the entire nation. Since the government is selling established services and endeavour entering the market has to begin from scratch, there is no competition which gives unrealistic expectation of reduced cost.

    Also since the basis of say the energy sales is simply the manufacturing and sales the means to transmit remains to the government due to the fact the increased cost of aging infrastructure will result in private sector rationalising the industry to cut the less influential customers out in preference to their revenue stream. OR simply the rural sector will be cut off over their city counter parts. BUT not only that industry will be favoured above homes giving rise to an election losing swing to whatever government is stupid enough to cut the energy sector free without restraint.

    While I do agree in principle to your comment I also think it plays down the damage that is done when government tries to insure the failure of such sales are hidden. Such as the power failures of the SA renewable sector for no other reason than government attempting to cut the expense of infrastructure spending to hide the exorbitant cost of creating such a energy system without the due consideration of ALL aspects.

    While I do believe you are being genuine with “It is not only the dithering Libs that are turning a blind eye to this but also the prostitutes of politics, Labor, as seen by the two previous Labor administrations” I believe it is little soft. Since Howard change the people’s aspect on government services, I do think this stance is deliberate. How else do you get working families reliant on welfare??? Convince them government must make money to pay for their future needs sell of utilities so as they are not money makers in government hands and watch as the people blame the corporations for actually decently restructuring and streamline far better than government could ever do. All the while paying the people welfare to cover the lower cost of better management.

    When you consider it, the difference is the government used the tax payers money to top up the failure of the utilities to meet cost, now they pay welfare to the people to cover the cheaper cost of providing the same service all the while taking more taxes for the same purpose. If it was not so serious the fact the ignorant drones proudly demand such folly, you would laugh yourself sick…
     
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    Just shows that you don't understand the basics.
    While you are right, that private business can run things cheaper than a government does, you forget that as soon as private enterprises are involved, profit becomes very desirable. Mega profits that is! Even more desirable!!! I bet you run your own little enterprise, very handsomely....
    Sorry, just the way human being function.....
    Regards
     
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    Really, why do you continue to comment with such comments that clearly demonstrate your incapable of getting out of the gutter.

    IF you took the time to consider what was said, you would see how ignorant your shallow rant is. Since you are one of those who demand government is profitable then it would come as no surprise that I have pointed out before and continue to do so that it is clear you have no idea what government is for.

    Demanding you be respected with your constant ignorant attacks on others for their wealth or their ability to capitalise on the stupid demands of the ignorant simply points out to the world, that while you wallow in the gutter others are surpassing your idealistic stupidity to discuss issues far above not only your pay grade but obviously your ability. Ergo, you attempt to slander others with your consideration of what constitutes insult only demonstrates your inability to understand the real world you proclaim to stand for, you know that humanity thing you continue to pretend you have…
     
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    You are correct in terms of what government is for, and I do believe you have the timeline correct as well.

    Perhaps I am being too kind on the two main parties by suggesting they are merely ignorant of the situation. You may well be right in suggesting that they are both demonstrating an unspoken bi-partisanship in relation to energy and it's costs. It does seem to fit both their agendas.

    Your take on this was a good read.
     
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