South Korea Sends Its Forces Into The Strait Of Hormuz After Iran Seizes Tanker

Thank you. I'm going to have a look at it.

 

Holy ****!

 

Of course not, when did the US ever sponsor terrorism? What phoney sanctions? Justifiably punishing the Iranian dictatorship for it's appalling behaviour? The US is the hope of the world, everyone knows that. The Iranians seized this as an excuse, it's a bargaining chip just like all the hostages they've seized and charged with spying.

 

Yes, do you?

 

NONSENSE! A freedom fighter fights to establish a democracy within a tyranny, a terrorist uses violence for political means in a free and democratic society.

 

Who is Israel a threat to? Israel has had the ability to nuke Iran for 50 years and hasn't despite all the terrorism sponsorship Iran has used against them. Israel is the military superpower in the region but wants nothing but peaceful co-existence with its' neighbours, hence why it keeps signing peace treaties with them.

Come on, just admit you are wrong, just admit everything is wrong.

 

Your arguments are laughable - That Israel has not used nukes - does not mean they will not use them in the future - nor does it mean they are in peaceful co-existence with their neighbors.

Do you have something other than fallacy ?

Fact: Israel is responsible for a large amount of terror in the region - far more than Iran.

Dropping 1000lb bombs - on apartment blocks in crowded neighborhoods - is not "Peaceful Co-existence" -

It is your claim - that dropping bombs on civilians is "Peaceful Co-existence" - that is wrong. You are projecting your failings onto others.

 

Much worse than that.

Israeli nuclear missile dropped on Beirut harbour. 4 August 2020.

You are wasting your time but I am fairly certain you know that.

 

Indeed - breaking through the walls of denial and self delusion is a false hope - and least in my experience - and with my limited capacity.

My best friend was "Taken" - not physically taken - but mentally - when I was around 25 - became part of a cult - of the extreme fundamentalist Christian variety. My attempts at "Exit Counselling" were a dismal failure.

While having a solid understanding of Christianity - I did not have any understanding of sophisticated mind control techniques - or know how they worked. - and so was not even aware that he was "under the influence" .

I mean I knew he was under the influence of something - but had no understanding of these things - Like I do now - having since studied these things.

In short - when certain tenets of belief are questioned - a fear response is triggered. The adherent will try to avoid the "bad thought" .. thought that might lead to that bad place we call hell in this case.

There are various mechanisms of thought avoidance and "Thought Stopping techniques" . Common is denial up front - but when this doesn't work you will often get "Demonization of the Other" - the non believer - the infidel - heretic - Basic - demonization of the messenger fallacy - in hopes of avoiding the message.. don't want to think that "bad thought" ..

Various other thought avoidance techniques will be used - the adherent will engage in the most mind twisting self delusion - in order to avoid the reality in front of him ... That one will encounter hardcore denial of the obvious is a given. I once had a fellow claim that the freezing point of water was "arbitrary" .. and thus not empirical data.

Might as well argue the sun till not come up tomorrow .. Prove me wrong in the moment ..

So for me - this is more of a study of how absurd and ridiculous these reactions can be - and I have not been disappointed in this respect.

What is interesting - is when you get these same type of reactions - not on the basis of having religious belief challenged - but when "Necessary Illusions" are challenged .. as in this case.

Think about it - It is less than a decade after 911 - and subsequent war on terror/war on Al Qaeda - which is still raging in 2011 - and in fact in May of this Year - Obama has just killed Osama - and the world and USA is cheering -

A few months later - Obama is leading a large coalition of nations in an effort to arm, support, supply - "Al Qaeda" - and other adherents to the extremist El Saud ideology - who are waging a Holy Jihad against the Assad Regime in Syria.

Someone finding this out in 2020 - and wondering why the heck this fact is not all over the news - is going to be under some mental duress .. having numerous Necessary Illusions challenged at the same time.

My interest is how this can elicit a response similar that of the religious adherent.

 

How many examples would you like - to help allay your confusion ? The US is arguably the #1 state sponsor of terror over at least the last 4 decades.

Rotten Ronnie was training the soldiers of death squad dictators in terror tactics at the "School of the Americas" . Our boys - or as one poster put it "Our bad guys" would drag children over barbed wire fences "till the flesh hung from their bones" - while the parents watched.

Under Rotten Ronnie we were allied with Saddam - and assisted him - while dropping Chemical weapons on Iran - and the Kurds.

Ronnie was quite a character alright - Arming Suharto while he committed Genocide against East Timor -

but hey - Reagan is Old Hat. Obama was allied with Al Qaeda in 2 wars - wars in which war crimes, crimes against humanity were being committed by the terrorists we were sponsoring.

The ICC currently is investigating the US or complicity in war crimes - for our actions in Yemen .. and these actions were nothing in comparison to our actions in Syria.

Hope this helps stop you from making absurd, uninformed comments in the future.

 

Barack did not kill Osama.

News of Bin Laden's Death and Funeral - December 2001 | CLG News (legitgov.org)

This link shows the obituary for Osama in an Egyptian newspaper in December 2001.

What happened at Abbottabad was a false flag.

 

Yeah -- but this matters not to the main point here - which is the Orwellian freak show - where the folks who are the declared enemy are our allies.

I am not the only one who has pointed out this issue .. Listen to Rand Paul in 2014 on CNN's Sunday morning program "State of the Union".

This is just prior to the Obama admin doubling down on the "Moderate Rebel Lie"

http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2...-my-son-into-that-mess-on-the-crisis-in-iraq/

This is the transcript but I encourage you to watch CNN segment - Crowley is flustered and desperately trying to not acknowledge what Rand Paul has just said.

1) We have been arming Al Qaeda and spawn of the same Saudi inspired ideology "Radical Islamists" - the Hardliners who want to turn Syria in to a Strict Sharia Theocracy - the folks who are supposed to be ushering Freedom and Democracy -

At this point in time 2014 - there is no doubt who the "Rebel's" are -as they are in control of every major city in Syria sans Demascus - and have declared an new Islamic State - committing massive war crimes - genocide, rape, forced marriage, Strict Sharia - Dark age Style with daily public executions .... posted on the internet.

2) Al Qaeda and ISIS (the Islamic State) are our allies in Syria

3) Our proxy army in Syria-- went off its leash and into Iraq - so now we are fighting IS in Iraq -- but allied with them in Syria.

At this point - the whole world knows who the rebels are - for those who want to look.. and there are no "Moderates" - The new Islamic State is what has become of the Rebels .. there is no other Anti Assad fighting force of any significance

Joe Biden - confirms this answering questions after giving a talk at Harvard - he also confirms that a few nations in the region are arming these Islamist Jihadists..

https://mideastshuffle.com/2014/10/04/biden-turks-saudis-uae-funded-and-armed-al-nusra-and-al-qaeda/

What we know now ... is that it was not just El Saud and friends .. that were arming, supporting, supplying Al Qaeda/Al Nusra -and the others who would later form the Islamic State. It was Jordan, Israel, Turkey, Britain, France, Qatar - and numerous others .. with CIA leading the charge... Obama's "Coalition of the Willing" - but this time - clandestine.

 

I see no mystery in it. Both subjects are related, albeit at odds with one another.

People need to believe in something otherwise they find no meaning in life. Religion supplies a meaning but you must believe in it, have “faith” in it. However, civilization creates contradictions to most of the established religions. and those contradictions must be overcome in order to maintain faith in whatever religious “faith” man has chosen. If he’s a Christian he’s already accepted a whole bushel full of superstitious nonsense as “fact” by the prerequisite of “faith”.

So, anyone who believes that a virgin can be impregnated by a ghost has no problem believing that there are thousands of invisible WMD's strewn across the Al-Hajarah and the Al-Dibdibah deserts of Irak ... and that Bill Clinton’s cigar fell out of his mouth, cart-wheeled across the carpet and became wedged in Monika Lewinsky’s vagina. It’s all bollocks, necessary to keep faith in balance and life with meaning.


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Israel has already considered using nukes during the 73 war when she was losing and needed better weapons.

Dayan Called for Using Nukes During 1973 War - Tikun Olam תיקון עולם (richardsilverstein.com)

I believe the US promptly provided them with needed weapons.

What is more important is that Israel threatened to use nukes in 2018

Israel threatens to use nuclear weapons to ‘wipe out’ its enemies – Middle East Monitor

They have certainly considered using nukes against Iran. In particular special targeted ones to attempt to destroy her domestic nukes.

However the Israeli military have never been in favour of even war with Iran. Hence why they have been trying to get the US in to do it.

 

Yes.

Really? Is that true?

That's right.

 

It could be peaceful co-existance if it ends the rocket barrage upon Israeli schools, hospitals, factories and plazas.

 

Oh, yes.

You: Assad's Syria happy place, good Constitution.
Me: Assad's Syria was under martial law for 38 years, Constitution abolished.
You: I don't want to talk about it.

Classic.

 

There is no rocket barrage on schools, hospitals, factories and plazas - and spouting made up nonsense does not make that nonsense true.

Rockets are fired in response to IDF atrocities .. not because Israel is trying to make peace.

 

Posting a bunch of made up false accusations in a pathetic attempt at building a strawman - is not an argument for much..

what has you so butt-hurt ?

 

Wasting your time.

 

I think it's the other way around.
Israel doesn't deny Hamas' right to exist, but Hamas denies Israel right.

IDF strikes Hamas targets in Gaza in response to rocket fire | The Times of Israel

Can you tell me what 'atrocity' Israel committed last Friday?

IDF strikes Hamas targets in Gaza in response to rocket fire
Israeli aircraft hit rocket manufacturing facility, underground infrastructure belonging to terror group
after 2 projectiles fired across border.
Israel attacked the Hamas terror group in Gaza early Saturday morning in response to rockets fired from the
Strip into Israel on Friday evening.

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...sions-with-iran.583058/page-8#post-1072352359

There.

 

My comments above were correct - I see that you still have not changed your disingenuous and fallacious ways - so what did you want to tell me ? .

 

Why are you posting this irrational gibberish - That you might manage to find one day in which Israel did not commit atrocity .. does not change the fact that they have committed atrocities on other days.

Did this not dawn on you mate ?