South Korea Sends Its Forces Into The Strait Of Hormuz After Iran Seizes Tanker

Stating an obvious truth that contradicts your perception of reality is now "disingenuous and fallacious ways". Can't let those pesky bad thoughts stay in the way of sweet fantasies, can you?

 

You poor thing -- I know that you are butt-hurt by fact that your beloved IDF have proven to be bigger terrorists than Iran - despite your desperate attempts to put the IDF on a pedestal of virtue.

This however, is no reason to project your actions and failings onto others.

 

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What atrocities?

 

What? Am I missing something here? Has Israel blown up an embassy lately?
Has it exploded bombs on buses or restaurants? Is it committed to driving all
the Arabs into the sea? Is it raining rockets down on civilians? Maybe it's making
tunnels into the Gaza and Lebanon? Is it kidnapping Palestinians?

Did you know that nearly half a million Palestinians go to Israeli hospitals every
year? Some as visitors and some as patients? And did you know no hospital even
existed in Palestine until the Jews built one - to be used by Jews, Christians and
Muslims?

Did you know there are about half a million Jewish refugees, driven out of Arab
nations? How often is this fact brought up in UN conferences?

 

Been doing this for 80 years they have - that is what you miss Its not some secret - reams and reams of material should one wish to look.

All you do in the face of reality - is cry no no no - never justifying your claims with data - while willfully ignoring data and information presented to you - which goes counter to your fairly tale on Mt. Zion

Shall we have a prayer now for the poor IDF - be-still my beating heart.. those poor victims -

Just absurd demonstrably false nonsense.

 

It's interesting - the more the Arabs fought Israel the stronger that state became.
The current bout of tunneling has led to the IDF developing better technologies
to counter these Lebanese and Gaza tunnels. And now if your nation has an issue
with tunneling you turn to Israel. Same with new attempts at infiltration via SCUBA
divers from Gaza - such divers don't show up on sonar. And now Israel is becoming
a world expert at handling the issue. So Israel has quite a few new industries to
export - drones, anti-missile tech, cyber and the like.

 

??? Well thats nice Pooh - They are also one of the biggest purveyors of terrorism in the region .. making war left right and center .. attacking Syria .. Attacking Iran .. and brutalizing the folks unlucky enough to live in the Occupied Territories

Quite the opposite of the "Peaceful Coexistence" fantasy put forward ..

Not quite at the level of terrorism and war making as the US -- but hand in hand .. along with Brother El Saud .. in a quite unholy trinity

 

Oh you forgot, Israel attacked Egypt too.
And Lebanon.
Here were these two peaceful nations, earnestly pleading with Israel to accept
their friendship - and they were brutally attacked without provocation.
Why don't the Jews go back where they came from?

 

I did not forget - you are the one in start dismissal of reality - Shall we have that prayer now for the Jews and what happened long ago - events still fresh in your memory - the glory days gone buy , when Israel were the Good Guys .. and those pesky Muslims the bad.

Ahhh - but times have changed havn't they Padawan - now it is that Pesky IDF that is going around terrorizing their neighbors.

 

Never mind; I was asking for more info about the Iranian money, which I hadn't seen in the first part of your linked article, but I went back for a deeper read, & eventually got to it.

 

Posting Cartoons now because you have nothing with which to defend your position.

"What Atrocities" - as if you have not been regaled with numerous atrocities previously ---- but - if you must .. the latest atrocity would be killing unarmed civilians - clearly marked reporters and the like during protests.

ahh .. but that's nothing .. a slow day for the IDF - Supporting those terrorist in Syria .. that was no good. - 500,000 dead in that war .. supporting the terrorist proxy army they were with brother EL Saud and USA - in a holy Trinity of Islamist Jihad.

Quite interesting from a religious perspective. Muslim against Muslim - fighting the dreaded secularism - and wanting a strict sharia theocracy in its place .. just like good ol El Saud - or worse.

Turned out to be worse - if one can imagine that .. the new Islamic State was Strict Sharia - Dark Age Style. Massive war crimes - crimes against humanity .. supported and aided and of course Armed - by the Unholy Trinity - at the helm.

Now Iran in this story - turns out they are the good guys .. fighting to keep Syria Secular - fighting to keep Syria from the Islamic State.
Soliemani in particular was one of the hero's of this war .. fighting Against Al Qaeda/Al Nusra/ ISIS .. for most of the last decade.

Iran wasn't the ones supporting the Islamist Jihadists in their holy war.. supporting Al Qaeda and ISIS .. no .. that would be the holy Trinitas.. leading the charge.

That is the real version of history .. the one that 100 years from now will be taught .. historians saying .. look at this Massive Orwellian ***** .. pardon the pun on the Noun Shiite ... or how is that spelt

Orwell on steroids this one is .. 10 years after 911 and some how Brother El Saud has Obama convinced that Al Qaeda are now the good guys .. spends most of the decade fighting 2 wars .. allied with Brother El Saud and Al Qaeda .. and heck .. not much difference when it comes down to core ideology .. Al Qaeda is a spawn of Sunni Salafi El Saud extremist ideology .. one they have been exporting around the globe for decades .. Taliban, Al Qaeda, ISIS , Al Nusra, Islamic Front . Ahrar al Sham .. the nutters in Packistan and India, Boko Haram .. Al Shaabab in Africa ... all the ex Soviet and Soviet "Stans" .. chechens and so on..

Every one of these terror groups around the globe .. all Spawn of the El Saud ideology .. Iran does not hold a candle to that in terms of exporting terror around the world .. they are only involved in the local region .. and sure as heck to not help Hamas like the Unholy Trinity helped Al Qaeda ..

Then we see some Israeli planes falling out of the sky... but - Iran never did that .. perhaps they should - tit for tat .. Heck .. if Israel can do it .. why not Iran ? Good for the goose not so good for the gander there Matey ?

 

Modern Syrian conflict is the one Middle East thing I have never wanted to even look
into - too many conflicting parties. I like the good old days when an Arab nation was
an Arab nation - and seven of them tried to wipe Israel off the map in the 1948 war. And
I am a great fan of the Six Day War - it was all so simple then.

 

Thought avoidance is not your friend. You sure as heck started out like you were all knowledgeable about the ME .. now you are claiming the ME is something you have never wanted to look into.

At the same time - you want to claim Israel is the poor victim - and Iran is this big Evil.

Sorry Pooh - but your words are in contradiction. You can not claim to know next to nothing about the ME/Syria - and then claim to know something about Israel's status in this mess .. because this mess includes Israel - and it is this mess that we are talking about .. the not just in Syria but the Mess in general in the ME .

So .. if you know very little about the ME - Don't pretend you know much about the Israeli conflict with its neighbors in the ME .. making claims like "Peaceful Coexistence"

This claim is simply false - if one knows even just a little about these ME conflicts.

 

Generally speaking I take an interest in the Middle East where it impacts on Israel or the
oil. But I haven't sat down to figure out the Syrian civil war - looks too messy. The part that
interests me is Iran's efforts to take a major stake in Syria and Lebanon and using this
vantage to attack Israel.

 

There was no "Civil War" in Syria - and any pundit or columnist using that term is being disingenuous - lying - or simply does not understand what they are talking about - this was an armed insurrection.

Why would you think Iran wishes to attack Israel directly ? Sure their support - mostly humanitarian - indirectly supports those - some of which who attack Israel - in response to some atrocity .. but not attack directly.

The one who is attacking directly is Israel - both in Syria -and in Iran.

As stated to you previously - If Israel was to arm Hamas/Hezbollah - with sophisticated military technology .. then you might have a point .. but they don't.

 

Iran has tried to arm Hamas, but largely this has failed due to Israel.
Certainly it has armed Hezbollah. And this has made a mockery of
UN intervention. Hezbollah now has more rockets than NATO.
I am fine with the term 'civil war' as the initial status of the Syrian
conflict. Now there's too many players.
Iran wishes to attack Israel for complex reasons - antisemitism,
regional rivalry, Israel's attempt to stop Iran taking over Syria and
Lebanon, nuclear politics, the Palestinians etc..

 

Arm them how - with AK-47s ? I used the term "sophisticated military hardware/technology" and no Nation has made more of a Mockery of the UN than Israel - Sans the US of course.

As stated previously - the third time now - If Iran is giving Hezbollah sophisticated weapons - they sure as heck have not been using them against Israel..

Your claim that Israel could stop Iran from arming Hezbollah .. silly and laughable to some degree-- this is likely from some State Sponsored Propaganda koolaid that you greedily gulped down.

 

I never said Israel could stop Iran arming Hezbollah. Quite the contrary - the UN arms embargo
has failed, so too Israel's effort to interdict these armaments. What is the figure for Lebanese
rockets? 150,000?
Certainly Hezbollah hasn't used these rockets. If it did it will be another Israel-Lebanese war.
Hezbollah knows the cost - Israel has stated that firing these rockets at Israel will lead to the
destruction of Lebanon's infrastructure.

 

We are not talking "rockets" we are talking cruise missiles. - which - if given to Hezbollah or Lebanon - would lead to Israel's destruction - a whole lot more than the rockets .. which are essentially fancy fireworks - a far cry from the 1000 lb bombs Israel drops on apartment blocks in civilian neighborhoods.

 

re 1000 lb bombs. Ever heard of the new 'Ninja bomb'? It's an American missile/bomb
which is designed to take out a person or persons without causing too much background
damage. It's a tactic of Hamas to shoot from behind civilians (and given your odds of
survival without human shields I would do it too.)
Israel would be interested I am sure.
As it is - the odds in conflict are stacked against Israel. The Palestinians make great
theater out of 'civilian' casualties (dead babies are prized) but dead Jews 'had it
coming.' So a military success for the IDF becomes a political liability for Israel.
I did admire the way the two recent targeted killings of Iran's nuclear scientist and
Revolutionary Guard General were conducted with minimal civilian casualties.
And Google 'the Engineer' of Hamas - the Israelis got him with some C3 explosive
in a cell phone. The 'engineer's' tactic was to blow up buses and
restaurants - and he wasn't after one terrorist.

 

re cruise missiles. Yeah, big problem. But then again, the Mutually Assured Destruction
here is that Israel will destroy Lebanon's infrastructure - that's the airport, power stations,
bridges, ports etc..
IMO Israel won't be safe until it develops anti-missile laser tech of sufficient power to take
out ballistic missiles. That's some ways away.

 

You are no longer responding to my comments .. who cares about the Ninja bomb .. or is these what you suggest we give the Palestinians.

"Survival without human Shields" = These folks do not line up with muskets in line - like in the old days. Obviously doing such a thing would be completely idiotic given the power imbalance .. Israel having modern military equipment - the Palestinians having none.

How is it that you would suggest that Palestinians fight against the IDF ? - if not by Gorilla and asymmetric tactics ? - completely obvlivious to the fact the IDF also uses human shields - .. fights out of the city

This propaganda kool-aid that you have ingested .. fed to you by someone who is either an idiot - or lying. Israel fights the same way Hamas does - they just have bigger guns.

After which you claim the odds are stacked against Israel - which is even more preposterous nonsense than the "Human Shields" comment that you know realize is false - but if you had any doubt - just look at the # of children killed by IDF terror .. vs that killed by Hamas terror.

The number of Children killed by Israel is roughly 10-1 .. so obviously Israel is way ahead in that department which suggests that the odds are stacked against the Palestinians - does it not ?

Israel has F-16's and F-35's - Attack Helicopter's and hellfire missiles - Hamas has home made rockets. Clearly you have been misled - once again - if you think the odds are stacked against Israel - and not putting your thinking cap on.

Do you not see how absurd your above comments are .. when juxtaposed to reality ?

Then you talk about blowing up busses - once again completely oblivious to reality - inferring that the IDF only targets the bad guys with precision explosives giving the example like a small C4 charge in a phone booth .. this analogy is preposterously false nonsense on steroids - Israel's concern for civilians being extremely low - garnering much too many to count condemnations by the UN our NATO Allies - and the world in general over this 80 year blood feud.

Way out to lunch on every point you are .. most of the time having things backwards.

 

What infrastructure LOL - as if Israeli infrastructure is not far more valuable - as in if in a war .. which has happened between Lebanon and Israel - if Lebanon has better weapons they would not use them

Your assumptions are both false and somewhat absurd on closer inspection.

No one is safe from Israel's nukes ... WTF are you talking about "Israel won't be safe"

You have stopped thinking about what you are saying .. making stuff up as you go - hoping that a valid argument will appear out of thin air - but it has not.

You are reciting State Sponsored Propaganda - some arguments which sound good on the surface - and so will fool the vast majority who have no clue about the actual situation - and just do not pay attention to such things. Unfortunately for you - these propaganda arguments that you are regurgitating are really really bad -- and most you have not thought about yourself.

 

Lebanon is a lot poorer than Israel. Let's assume Hezbollah launches its 150k missiles
all at once. Many from people's homes (If Israel does hit these homed missiles then the
world can condemn Israel for harming innocent civilians.) And when the barrage is done
then Israel can respond with targeted attacks on Lebanon's infrastructure. Most of the
Hezbollah barrage won't be specific enough to totally take out Israel's infrastructure -
but it will do a lot of damage. Israel can rebuild much easier than Lebanon can.

Israel can be safe if it can take out ballistic missiles. I say laser because with these you
have an 'infinite magazine' capability. Not propaganda - just science. Israel doesn't talk
about anti-ballistic laser tech 'cos there is none. The Iron Dome and Arrow shoot missiles
with missiles - and the economics don't work out.

 

Who cares about Ninja bombs? I do 'cos you can take out that one guy hiding in a village without
taking out the whole village in collective punishment.
Sure, kids get killed by the IDF. Same kids are usually those brought along for the fight. Makes it
tougher for the Israelis to shoot back.