Space Travel How? Warp. Sub Space. Jump Gates. etc.

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  1. Mushroom

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    But it is the same thing. They are well shielded, but the thought there was that it would be remaining behind forever. Therefore they buried it far away.
     
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    Whatever the characteristics, if life happened two different times in just our own solar system, that would be huge -- regardless of whether the "other' had a brain.
     
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    It seems like it is already pretty safe, given that a human could drive around with it for many days. And, it would probably be safer to place it on a pedestal if anyone thought it could be accidentally encountered by some future being that has no info concerning what we did on Mars.

    But, I agree it would be better to consider such systems as we actually make (or could make) rather than the movie version.
     
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    I don't think we will at least we won't until we discover that physics doesn't really work the relativity defines.
     
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    Consider all those "modernist" of their time!

    Newtonian Physics was gospel.

    Did anyone conceive Relativity back then?


    YOU must think beyond your limitation as you impose!


    Thus spaketh
    Moi :oldman:





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    On Earth we are shielded by our magnetosphere. That is helpful for the ISS, but to a lesser extent due to its altitude. When there is a solar flare our astronauts stack luggage in the space station and hide behind it.

    Outside of our magnetosphere things get very different. We have to give special shielding to circuit boards and other delicate hardware, because radiaton would erode it and cause total failure.

    Cosmic radiation includes particles that are FAR more energetic than particles energized by our most powerful particle accelerators. I'm sure you are fine with a pacemaker while on Earth. BUT, I would suggest that you NOT stand in the way of particles that those at CERN create.

    Some thought that the SpaceX move to steel ships would help, but cosmic radiation striking the ship would shower the interior with highly energetic particles created when cosmic radiation hits the spacehip.

    Given that trips even to the Moon take time (and given the results of medical tests of those who have spent time in space) it's pretty dang clear that radiation IS a serious issue.
     
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    There is a whole major branch of physics called theoretical physics where really smart physicists think about this problem either directly or indirectly. The difference between quantum mechanics and relativity is the largest issue in physics today.

    You aren't suggesting we should all "think beyond" our own "limitations".

    You're suggesting that we think beyond what the entire field of theoretical physics is dreaming about - when they don't even have to test anything.

    Any discussion that includes FTL travel needs to be moved to a SciFi forum. Then you can include discussions of whether someone dies when they are moved by a teleporter, and all the rest of the cool stuff that great authors let us think about.
     
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    Just as a Newtonian might upload 150 years ago!




    Only this thread,
    "think beyond" our own "limitations".
    @WillReadmore - I have never experienced you "read more".
    Try early, Robert Heinlein before "Stranger In A Strange Land".
    Or for more remedial lesson, the original Star Trek and our cellphones today!
    Or Not!


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    I suppose it would depend on the method by which that speed was achieved. I would reckon that a 'warp bubble' method would encapsulate the object impacted as well as the object impacting in the 'bubble', and the impact would effectively be sub-FTL. However, if the speed of the impacting object were actually FTL relative to the object impacted at the instant of impact, I've heard it theorized that both objects would fuse, as in fusion, and assuming either or both would be of substantial mass, it would be like a hydrogen bomb of incalculable proportions.
     
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    They still teach newton's physics, you know.
     
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    Newton physics is how normal things work but Einstein stuff is the extreme

    We still can’t even get to Mars !?
     
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    Sure we can get to Mars but I don't see the reason to do it. Pretty expensive for no practical return.
     
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    Short cuts, “worm holes”
    See movie, “Contact” made from book by Carl Sagan
     
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    Sagan is over rated.

    Stick with Heinlein.
     
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    Ever heard of the TR3B? (search it on YouTube, and tons of stuff comes up ) I think we already have the technology, but it's being kept under wraps, we don't want to make the same mistake we made on the manhatten project, allowing the Russians to acquire our technology.

    also, Bob Lazar explains it, he allegedly worked on a crashed UFOs at "S4"
    ( sub zone of Area 51) reverse engineering it's propulsion system, so you'll have to research him to find to what he says.

    But, I could be wrong. I'm a peripheral UFO junkie, but I'm no scientist or expert.
     
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    It won't, FTL UFOs ( AFAIK ) traverse the universe in some kind of gravity wave bubble, everything just slips around it, like planets that bend light.

    Moreover, it's a moot point, because warping space pulls the destination to the source point, and what's in between isn't, but I have no frickn' idea how it's done.
    Ask an alien.
     
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    I like Bob Lazar. Not a visionary, but very interesting.
     
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    Linear travel is NOT the answer.

    The theorists I've listened to state that FTL travel is not done in a linear fashion, so the issues arising from linear travel via reactionary propulsion ( thrust of whatever kind) become moot when a vehicle's propulsion is non reactionary gravity wave amplification ( no, I do not know what I'm talking about ) ask Bob Lazar, research him ( there are pros and cons, but give him the benefit of the doubt, and do far more than a cursory search ).
     
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    Good thoughts.

    I'll try to find an alien - or a scifi author!
     
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    Oh, I'd definitely go for the alien. Sci Fi guys no longer impress me. I need the real thing.
     
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    I dunno if the russians really got much from our manhatten project. We built an incredibly complicated system of precisely timed shaped charges to compress our critical mass. They just put theres in a big welded up cannon barrel and loaded it with explosives to create a big-ass piston to compress it.
     
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    It requires use of a Magic wand. They are likely based in the abandoned alien bases in the Antarctic. Shooosh... don’t tell anyone it’s a military secret and we still need Congress to fund space missions with conventional means of space travel so we don’t give away our secret military advantage over the Russian’s and the Chinese.
     
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    If anyone has a science background strong enough to be critical of his ideas, fine. Because if they don’t, it’s like a flea complaining that an elephant is over rated.
     

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